Expanded Intelligence: Seeing Beyond Logic (Elizabeth Rea) - Episode 232

What if the answers you’re searching for… aren’t just in data, strategy, or logic—but somewhere deeper?

In this episode, we sit down with Elizabeth Rea, evidentiary clairvoyant psychic medium and founder of Insightful, to explore what she calls expanded intelligence—a way of knowing that goes beyond what we can see, measure, or prove.

And yes… it all started with a near-death experience.

After being clinically dead as a teenager, Elizabeth returned with a profound shift in perception—one that allows her to access insight beyond the physical world. Today, she uses that ability to help founders, investors, leaders—and even federal agents—navigate high-stakes decisions with clarity and confidence.

This conversation is equal parts mind-expanding and grounding, as we explore the intersection of science, intuition, and the unseen forces shaping our lives.

IN THIS EPISODE, WE DIVE INTO...

• The moment that changed everything: Elizabeth shares her near-death experience—and how it unlocked her ability to perceive beyond the physical world.
• What “expanded intelligence” actually means: Think: insight that reveals hidden motives, relationship dynamics, and future outcomes—without relying on traditional logic.
• How intuition shows up in real life (and real decisions): From business strategy to personal relationships, Elizabeth explains how this deeper knowing can guide you.
• Bridging science + spirituality: Why this isn’t about “woo”—it’s about accessing information that already exists, just beyond our usual awareness.
• The power of seeing what’s beneath the surface: What becomes possible when you understand the why behind people’s actions—not just the actions themselves.

WHY THIS CONVERSATION MATTERS
We’re taught to trust logic. To gather data. To analyze. But what if that’s only part of the picture? Elizabeth introduces a new lens—one that invites you to trust your own inner knowing alongside everything else. Because sometimes, the clarity you’re looking for isn’t something you figure out… It’s something you feel.

THE NUDGE YOU NEED
If you’ve ever had a gut feeling you couldn’t explain… If you’ve ever just known something without proof… This episode might help you start trusting that voice a little more.

MORE WITH ELIZABETH REA

• Learn more about Elizabeth and her work at insightful.foundation
• Elizabeth works by referral only. However, if you are a founder of an established business and or investor visit insightful.foundation. Then if you’re interested in exploring her services click “Inquire Now” and be sure to mention “Seeking Center “to schedule a brief chat. 

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You can also follow Seeking Center on Instagram @theseekingcenter.

Transcript

Robyn: I'm Robyn Miller Brecker and I'm Karen Loenser. Welcome to Seeking Center, the podcast. Join us each week as we have the conversations and we, through the spiritual and holistic clutter for you, we'll boil it down to what you need to know now, we're all about total wellness, which to us needs building a healthy life.

On a physical, mental, and spiritual level, we'll talk to the trailblazers who'll introduce you to the practices, products, and experiences that may be just what you need to hear about to transform your life. If you're listening to this, it's no accident. Think of this as your seeking center and your place to seek your center.

And for the best wellness and spiritual practitioners, experts, products, experiences, and inspo, visit theseekingcenter. com. Today's guest helps you see it. Elizabeth Ray is an evidentiary clairvoyant psychic medium and founder of Insightful, where she serves as a venture partner and advises founders, investors, and leaders on high-stakes [00:01:00] decisions by tapping in to what she calls expanded intelligence.

It's insight beyond data and logic, revealing hidden motives, relationship dynamics, and likely outcomes, So you can move forward with clarity and confidence. She's developed her own transformational protocols, and has even supported US federal agents to help investigate cold murder cases.

We've both worked with her, and trust us, she's the real deal. So today we're diving into how expanded intelligence bridges science and spirituality, and how it might just change the way you see everything. Let's dive in. Hi, Elizabeth. 

Elizabeth: Hello. Nice to see both of you. 

Karen: Oh, we've been waiting for this conversation, Elizabeth.

Both of us individually had great, great sessions 

Elizabeth: with you. Oh, good. 

Karen: We have so much to discuss, but we'd love to really start at the very beginning about your journey. How did this all start for you . Uh, 

Elizabeth: I died. a near-death- 

Robyn: Well, there's that.

Karen: Let's get right [00:02:00] to it, shall we?

Elizabeth: You asked. That's where did it begin. Right there, dead. A near-death experience when I was a teenage girl, and, I was looking down, my consciousness I suppose was looking down because my eyes were dead.

So I was looking down upon my lifeless body. I had been poisoned at a party as a teenage girl, and I was on a dirty McDonald's bathroom floor. And I saw these two kind of acquaintances trying to figure out what to do. They were scared. I think they were more concerned they were gonna be in trouble than they were- concerned about me, honestly.

And then a nurse from across the street, who was working across the street at the hospital, st- uh, stumbled upon this whole scene, and she knelt down. And I can still see to this day her white Timex watch on her right wrist. She was staring at it while holding my arm and trying to get my pulse, and she couldn't [00:03:00] get it.

And I, then I could feel her fear. I could hear her inside voice. I could hear the outside voices, and I was dead. And, I was at complete peace. 

Robyn: Wow. And you can still feel that. when you say it, I feel like you can go back there. 

Elizabeth: Yeah, and I would say that feeling of being simply consciousness outside of my meat suit, right?

Today, that's just the same flavor of when I'm doing what I do. It tastes the same. 

 So I have somehow a way of knowing that's immediate and that's very clear and specific but I have no logical way of accessing. So it's very similar to when I was dead. I was knocked... I was out. My eyes were closed. There's no way I could've, you know, comprehended the scene. So it's really started there, and then it kinda came in waves. Like, precognition, postcognition sort of came in waves. Then I went to the Hoffman Institute, [00:04:00] which is... Actually, a lot of people don't know about the Hoffman Institute, and the Hoffman Process itself is, which has been around for a long time, since the early 1960s.

It was channeled by a psychic medium, the whole process itself. They don't really advertise that but it's not easy to confirm. I mean, it, it's not hard to confirm. So I went through the Hoffman Process, and then at the end of it, my teacher, her name was Mary, she took me aside and she said you know how you've had those precognitive, postcognitive experiences throughout your life?"

And I said, "Yes." She said, " Well, this isn't official Hoffman advice, but I do wanna tell you something." And I said, "Oh, what's that, Mary?" And she said, " When you leave here, the doors to your mind are going to blow wide open." 

Robyn: Wow. I, I've, I've, I've several questions here. The Hoffman Institute- how long did that take, and was that like an in-person thing?

Like I'm just- Yeah ... so curious. 

Elizabeth: Yeah, so it's a in-person [00:05:00] thing, and they have centers all over the world, but the m- headquarters I think they're in Petaluma now. And a lot of very famous people have gone there, so there's a pretty long waiting list,

so it really does sort of help unravel negative love patterns, and you are in a container for a week. meals are provided. You don't access your phone. You don't tell people what you do for a living, so you're not there to try to impress anyone. You're really just present with whatever brought you there.

that was really what kicked the doors open, and it sure did. 

Robyn: and when you would say that NDE that you had- 

that was really the first unlocking, right? Yes. 

Elizabeth: That cracked the door open. 

But it, it didn't kick the door open. So what happened is the NDE cracked the door open, and then I had different, experiences, and the door was getting opened a little bit more, a little bit more.

All the while, I've got no one to talk [00:06:00] to about this. 

Robyn: That was my next question. who are you telling this to? 

Elizabeth: Nobody. As a matter of fact, even after Hoffman, I kept my mouth shut except to the people closest in my life and the US federal agents I was working with. I didn't let anyone know that I was an evidentiary psychic medium, because I didn't wanna deal with the judgment and skepticism and weird fascination.

I just didn't... so I kept it hidden. I came out of the closet really just last year, and it's been great. Oh, 

Yeah. 

Karen: Mm-hmm. So what were those moments, Elizabeth, that you were having that led you to say, "Okay, I'm gonna, invest in myself. I'm gonna go to Hoffman and learn more"?

what happened between the NDE and really you making that decision to go 

Elizabeth: Well, what drew me to Hoffman was I just wanted to make a change, because I kept getting into one bad relationship after the next, and I grew up in a very abusive alcoholic- home, so that's to be [00:07:00] expected.

 You know, there is some hard wiring that occurs when you're in that situation. So that's what took me there. the precognitive and post-cognitive experience, like one was I was just driving down the highway one day on my way to work, and in my mind's eye I saw a car flipped on its hood at a specific angle on the right side of the highway, and there were people milling around the car.

So I thought, "Okay, So that's how it works, right? I'm just presented with an image, so I'm clairvoyant." So I'm presented with this immediate knowing, and it's pretty detailed. It's not, doesn't contain every detail, but you know, enough. And then five minutes later, there it was. There was the car flipped over at that specific angle with people milling around it.

So that's one example of many that were just sort of like it was poking through. But I think the noise of my inner emotional [00:08:00] life just didn't have space for it. 

 and now it does. 

Robyn: Well, so then when was it for you that you started to bridge science and spirituality and make this a practice?

Elizabeth: So after I left the Hoffman Institute I had a number of really stunning, detailed evidentiary knowing. Like l- like really detailed. So, okay, I'm gonna tell you an embarrassing story. Is that okay? 

Robyn: please. Thank you for wanting to share here. 

Elizabeth: Okay. So I get out of the Hoffman Institute, I'm talking to a friend, and I'm thinking, "Okay I'm gonna open a new chapter in my life, and so that means I need to get new bras." 

Robyn: Gotta help the girls out. 'Cause they- You gotta help the girls ... the ones I have- ... they're 

Elizabeth: a little, they're old. They're part of an old story. I don't want to bring them into this chapter.

Okay. You know what I mean? 

Robyn: Yeah. 

Elizabeth: So my friend agrees. Yes, we should go to the Galleria Mall in San Francisco and get ourselves new [00:09:00] intimates. Let's do that. Let's make a party. So she's driving, and she starts talking about her uncle. Now mind you, she was very close to her uncle. He died four years earlier, and his home was leveled to the ground.

Okay? And the estate was sold, and the people who bought it leveled his home. So we're driving, I'm like, "Hey so," her name was Amanda. I was like, "So Amanda, you know-" When you were having dinner at your uncle's house, did he have a long dining area that was adjacent to the kitchen with white wainscoting up to about here with a shallow shelf and decorative items on it, and then the adjacent kitchen floor was stone?

She's like, "Uh, yeah." said, "Well, okay, well let's keep going." And I said, "So I see the dining, a, there's a dining area, then right a, there's a living room. But one step down about four inches there's a family room, like a separate room." And I just start... I'm touring around, I'm describing her uncle.

She's like, "What the hell's happening?" I'm like, " [00:10:00] You tell me." This is actually what I was warned about. 

 So all I could think to do was I wanted to get out of that car, I got down on my hands and knees on the dirty garage floor because all I wanted to do was touch the ground. That's all I wanted to do.

I sat there on my hands and knees for a while trying to get myself grounded. I never bought a bra because I was like- 

Karen: Freaked out. 

Elizabeth: I wasn't thinking about them anymore. I was like, "What just happened to me?" 

Robyn: and did you feel, were you getting messages from her uncle?

Do you feel like it was her uncle? 

Elizabeth: I believe so. I mean- Yeah ... I always say I'm like a radio. I'm not in charge of broadcasting, and I don't control the station. I'm just the radio. So I think so. And then it just kept going from there. But that was the first pretty stunning instance.

And then a woman I know said, I, I have a home in Kona, and I'm hosting the Dalai Lama's emissary, and I think you should come and meet [00:11:00] with him," because they have a different worldview culturally. You know, the Dalai Lama doesn't make a move without first consulting the Oracle if it's a big move.

The Oracle is the same thing as what I do. 

 And said, "All right. Well, I..." And then I went, and I, I sat with him. And he just explained to me that sometimes when people go through a tremendous amount of trauma, they're given the gift of what's called second sight.

There are so many names for this, right? And to help them, you know, cope and know when the other shoe's gonna drop. 

 And I think there's even a word for it in the- Tibetan Buddhist culture. And he said, "So that's, that's what's happened now." he said, "In our culture, this is revered. We see it as a path to enlightenment.

Doesn't mean you're enlightened, it means it's a path to enlightenment. And we see it as a tremendous gift, and your culture sees it as a scary movie." Mm-hmm. "So you're gonna need to choose your perspective if you're going to be able to cope." So that was a very [00:12:00] important conversation. 

Robyn: Totally.

Karen: Elizabeth, we've gotten to know you a little bit. And knowing you, we can see how there is that very practical side of you, So I can imagine you're doing a little bit of resisting, as curious as you are. Like, that bridge between the science and the spirituality, as we were saying before.

It's like, okay, I have this thing that I'm doing. What does it mean, and how do I, how do I decipher it? How do I embrace it in a way that's comfortable for myself? So how did you do that? did you resist at that point, or were you so overwhelmingly curious and saw that the things that you were actually seeing were coming true?

was that really what propelled you- Mm ... to really wanna do this with your life? 

Elizabeth: So what... I, I think that one of the reasons that I came out of the closet was because when I was working with federal agents on cold murder case investigations, I was really freaking accurate. I remember the first time I did it, I laid down on the sidewalk exactly where the [00:13:00] body was found.

 Like, I just knew this is where the body dropped, and I even put my head in the same position. And so I just knew I had this powerful ability, but I didn't know at the time what to do with it. And then I had an online education business that I had for a while, over a decade, and I was really getting tired of it, and I knew AI was about to obliterate it.

I also knew that AI was also gonna start obscuring reality, and I can see what's true. 

So I literally said, "I think I need to go rethink what I'm gonna do with the rest of my life." None of us are getting out of here alive, as I am- ... very familiar with. So I went to a friend's cabin in the mountains, and walked around and thought, "What...

If I had a magic wand and I could be assured of success, what would I want to do with the rest of my life?" And I thought, "I would, I would want to do this. I'd wanna help powerful, influential people who are doing [00:14:00] good in the world gain an advantage."

 So I'm really clear on that that's what I'm supposed to do.

It's what I am doing. And yeah, I think just kind of removing myself physically from my environment also helped me think and feel what am I here to do. And this is, it's an extraordinary gift. It's also an extraordinary responsibility.

I didn't want to entertain people with this. It's too powerful. I'm not a dancing bear. I knew it w- it was a sacred and powerful gift, and I, just felt a sense of responsibility and power. 

Robyn: Well, and you came up with the term expanded intelligence. 

Elizabeth: I did do that. 

Robyn: Yeah. So can you tell us how do you define that? 

Elizabeth: Yeah. So let me tell you why I did that. Yes. if you say the word psychic, what comes to mind? Depending on, you know, it could be Dionne Warwick's Psychic Network. it could be so many distortions of what that means. and because of my target market, established [00:15:00] founders and investors and leaders, I'm like, "I can't use the word psychic," I had a conversation with Dr. Russell Targ, who co-founded the Stanford Research Institute. If you don't know about them, they actually did psychic spy services for five presidential administrations. So it's a very well-established fact.

And so I had a conversation with him. Now, what's interesting about the Stanford Research Institute, they're just doing what I do, but they created a protocol that they taught to, the CIA and the military. And I asked him, like, " okay, so they use the term remote viewing, and I thought they did the same thing.

They branded, Because if they're gonna get government money they can't say psychic. So I thought, "Well, if they can rebrand, then I'm gonna rebrand." And then I'm friends with Dr. Peter Scaife of the SOL Foundation. They track UAPs, formerly known as UFOs. Again, not made up. They work with the CIA, they work with foreign, governments, and they also work with [00:16:00] major religious leaders around the topic of disclosure.

 But he told me, it's like we don't use any discs on the site even though there's pictures of, images- Mm-hmm ... of UAPs. Even though they're real, we steer away from the saucer shape ones because we don't wanna ignite the skepticism in, in the audience. So yeah, it's a really toe-tapping exercise marketing wise.

but then once someone has a direct experience, like you too- like you know, she's not making this up. It's real." Right. That's 

Robyn: That's right. And think expanded intelligence actually does- I know ... very much explain what it is, and characterizes it in a way that many people can grasp.

Elizabeth: Yes. 

Robyn: and I think you're right. Branding is, we come from that world too. So branding is a big deal. 

Elizabeth: It's going to shape the perception of the person who sees your branding. Also, I rebranded not too long ago, and I said, "I want [00:17:00] this, I want this site to look like the Wall Street Journal with one dab of woo."

Not woo woo, just one woo. 

Karen: I love that. So talk about how you work with your clients then, and why specifically you wanna work with entrepreneurs and business owners. why did you go down that path? 

Elizabeth: Yeah. So business is people, And, somebody asked me, "What's the problem Insightful is solving for established founders and for investors?"

And I said, "Oh, it's really simple. The problem is when it comes to business and investing, people lie."

Robyn: That is true. 

Elizabeth: They lie. and they, they hurt the business, and they hurt the people in the business, right? So the other aspect of these particular clients is people don't tell the boss the truth. And also if you have a lot of means, like people want something from you, [00:18:00] there's a lot of hidden agendas. and people put on a good game face if they wanna be hired or, you know. So I just see right through it, and I love it. 

 so much fun. 

Robyn: That's awesome. So you're really there to give that very clear seeing- Yes ... and truth to these investors and to these leaders and so forth?

Elizabeth: It's basically I'm providing another very powerful layer of due diligence. Yeah. We're not throwing away their lived experience, their critical thinking, or their valuable data, but those things, logic and data cannot see what I see. It's beyond logic and data. It's expanded. 

that's really what it is.

It's not just one thing. It's all these things combined put you in a much more powerful position and give you an extraordinary advantage. 

Robyn: Well, and Another question I have when, talking about expanded intelligence a... Would you say that [00:19:00] it's... Is it the same as intuition, or is it something beyond intuition?

Because you, you also have protocols, which I'd like you to talk about when it comes- Yeah ... to your work. 

Elizabeth: Yeah, so, that's a good question. So there's so many words that our language is inadequate. So there's intuition, which is innate, right? We all have intuition, and it's already hardwired into all of us, It's hardwired into your dog, and your cat, and the birds that fly in the sky, right? A psychic ability is something you can cultivate above and beyond your intuition, You can you can call on it at will, right? Where intuition just springs out when it needs to. Psychic ability is something you can access, like, right whenever you want.

All right, so let's break down what it means to be psychic. So a psychic, I'm a evidentiary clairvoyant psychic medium, which I'll break down, but a psychic is not a medium. A psychic is someone who has precognition and postcognition. Precognition meaning they know what's likely to [00:20:00] happen in the future.

Doesn't mean it will. Just in all the current circumstances here is what's likely to happen. If anyone ever tells you, "This will happen," you need to walk the heck away from them because they're going to take away your free will. 

Elizabeth: And you still have free will. So anybody who calls themself a psychic and tells you, "This will happen," walk away.

That's very hazardous. , the dead can talk, So I was able to help with these investigations because it was the murder victim who told me like, "Stop here. This is where my body was.

Now go here. This is where the perpetrator was lying in wait." And I did that. that's an example of mediumship. So when I make contact with consciousness, living or dead, that's mediumship. And that could be about a future or a past event.

A psychic cannot do that. So there's fewer mediums walking around than there are psychics, and there's fewer evidentiary mediums walking around than regular mediums. Evidentiary meaning that we can give you the [00:21:00] evidence. We give you very specific details that are verifiable. And I just came up with the word because really, it's just, it's part of the value proposition really.

I'm trying to provide expanded intelligence. we're not doing away with existing intelligence, we're just expanding upon it. So if I can give you one example there was a client, he wanted to acquire a company. He had a hard time acquiring this company.

It was owned by a woman, and he said, " What could you tell me? I'm trying to acquire this company, and what could you tell me?" And I said, " Well, first of all, the owner has a hard emotional shell. She's a woman who, works in finance. She's hasn't been treated very well." 

 "

So I would suggest that you come at her from..."

he is a respectful man, but I said, "Come at her with even more respect and deference, and understand that she has two women who are also weighing in on this decision I said, " she has an assistant with [00:22:00] brown hair and wire glasses."

Yes, she does. "She has a colleague who has blonde hair and they're the same height." Yes, she does. And I said, "So go into the next negotiation with this awareness." Anyway, he did. He acquired the company. I said, " so tell me what were these insights worth to you?" ' Cause they seem like, oh, or is that...

They seem trivial. Well, actually, they weren't, because they helped him acquire the company, and the company was, it was a huge... It was very consequential to his business. It was worth tens of millions of dollars, that acquisition. 

Robyn: Wow. 

Elizabeth: So this is not entertainment. 

Robyn: that's real life.

And real 

Elizabeth: money. Real money. 

Robyn: Yeah. 

Elizabeth: Real money, real businesses at stake. You know, real investments at stake. Real. So that's why it's a high level of responsibility. 

Karen: Well, it makes so much sense, because if you think about how deals are done, they are done by intuition in so many ways, right?

Yes. 

Elizabeth: It's like 

Karen: knowing how to read the client. But you give that extra layer of understanding of what their [00:23:00] experiences have been or what emotional connection they have to the situation that allows for even a deeper level and opportunity for connecting with that client. 

Elizabeth: Yes And what I'm really proud of with him, I first met him, he's incredibly skeptical, and very left brain, very data-driven. But in the first, like, 10 minutes, he would dissolve to tears, 'cause I brought his grandmother through and his mother, and he said now... He used to lead with data and logic, now he leads with his intuition and follows- Mm

with data and logic. So his whole worldview- Wow ... his whole paradigm has shifted as a result of our work together. But the thing to notice is that when our own emotions or attachments are involved, even if you're super psychic, you can't really see as clearly. So I actually I trade with a woman who used to be a psychic spy for the CIA.

Robyn: I love that. Oh my goodness. There's a movie [00:24:00] here. Keep going. Yes. 

Elizabeth: Yeah, so 'cause she, if she has attachments, she can't see as well. You two ladies are super smart. You probably, you could reason things out. But when we had our sessions together, right, I'm just giving you a different perspective that is hopefully clearer, gives you an insight that you can act upon.

Yes. 

Robyn: And I think for both of us, 'cause we, we're both psychics and I'm also a medium as well, and yet you still need... It's hard to do it on yourself. Do you know what I mean? It is. Like, I might get precognition, However, I need that facilitated, and guidance from someone like you, in order to really move the needle on certain areas of my life.

And as Karen and I have built our Seeking Center brand- Mm-hmm ... it's all about finding trusted, authentic people, which is why we're talking to you. So yeah. 

Elizabeth: It is really... None of us succeed alone. We all need help, and we all are here, I [00:25:00] believe, to help each other ultimately.

 As we walk each other home, that's what we're here to do. 

Robyn: Well, and I love the way that you, first of all, help define all of those terms for everybody, because I think that is very helpful. And the other thing that I wanna talk about that also makes you and your work and your mission and everything so unique are your protocols, because Karen and I have had these sessions with you, and I'm really curious if you can share a little bit about what you've put into place, and why it's important.

Elizabeth: Yeah. So it's, very easy to get overwhelmed as a human being So when I work with someone, I just ask them to consider the question or the matter that's taking up the most head and heart space. Mm-hmm. And usually something pretty immediate comes to mind. There might be a few things, but usually something comes to mind, and then I ask for them to, determine o- on a subjective scale of one to 10 how much head and heart space is it taking up.

 And [00:26:00] then my protocol is I don't need a bunch of background or context. I just need to know if I'm tracking. Mm-hmm. then I can keep pulling that piece of yarn, so to speak. And then I ask people to share with me what was helpful what did I say that I have no logical way of knowing.

because that's important to pay particular attention to, that psychic piece. And now you have these insights, now what are you gonna do? What's one thing you can do? Because it's no good gaining all these insights if you're not gonna act on it. Knowledge is not power.

Informed action is power. So my clients commit to taking one small step, and then they text me when they're done, and we celebrate that they did it. And then, after I ask them to determine what their one step is, and I ask them, "Okay, now where is this matter on a subjective scale of one to 10?"

And it always has plummeted, and they haven't even done anything yet. 

Karen: Yeah. Wow. I remember mine very vividly ' cause when I started talking to [00:27:00] you, you, you had already tapped in before we even started talking. 

Elizabeth: Oh, that happens all the time. 

Karen: That was so interesting because it was validation for me because what you said, there's... We hadn't really even met, so you, you would have no idea what was going on in, in my particular situation. And like you said, you also give these practical tools of how to action. And our session was very short. It wasn't like you had two hours worth of backstory on my life.

It was very short. And gave me probably one of the hardest assignments I've ever had, but it was very simple, and it was that I needed to start recording my voice talking to myself, which is not something I've ever done before, and I felt... It was very, very uncomfortable for me to not record, but listen and play back the sound of my own voice, and the surprising things that, in this recording I was able to voice for myself.

So- Nice ... just so listeners have a perspective [00:28:00] of how I actioned what we talked about, and how something so simple could have such a, a meaningful 

Elizabeth: Well, if you think about it, you're listening to the sound of that voice all day long, even when you're sleeping. So you might as well direct it.

And what's interesting is I have no memory of telling you to do that. That's... 

Karen: I have sometimes 

Elizabeth: Just so you're aware, like I do- I often don't remember what I say, so my sessions are recorded so people... Well, there's a couple reasons, but I, I... Because it wasn't my thought. 

 Just a couple weeks ago I, sent a text to a friend and I apparently, it did say, "Everything's gonna be okay." And then she sent me a message, said, "Oh my gosh, I got your text and I started crying. Thank you so much for tuning into me.

Really meant a lot. Your timing was amazing." I'm like, " Did I send you a text?" 

Karen: Right. 

Robyn: Wow. I'm 

Elizabeth: like, "Oh look, I did. That's good. That was nice of me." I have no memory of it. 

Robyn: it's amazing. Yeah, 'cause you are channeling [00:29:00] really. It is that expanded intelligence. you're channeling from somewhere else and you're getting it into the right hands, right?

To the right person who needs to receive it. And what you, you know, what you gave Karen in terms of what she needed to do was very different than what I needed to do. And I felt like what I loved about our sessions with you, there were, like, these targeted strikes. It was like- Yeah ... this is what you need right now to help you.

And it's true. And it was... And in my case it was, also helping my daughter, right? It was helping her get through something. And and for everyone who is listening right now or watching to understand how, Elizabeth, you are able to go in where people need you the most, and where you're most making probably one of the biggest differences is working with these leaders and investors and very powerful people within our culture.

But it's just as powerful to help Karen, you know, with [00:30:00] what she was needing to work on for that day and helping that have ripple effects in her life. And same with mine, right? And not just my life. It's my family's life and everything. What you're doing is so powerful and will help raise the vibration, which I know is part of your mission in being here. 

Elizabeth: Yeah. That's with whatever time I have left, I... that's what I wanna do. I wanna have a positive ripple effect using this- Superpower. 

Robyn: Yeah 

Elizabeth: And, it's fun. 

Robyn: and as it should be. Right? Well, 

Karen: absolutely. 

Elizabeth: Well, and really 

Karen: from thinking too, as you're, as you're talking, Elizabeth, is that what you're doing should at some point evolve into what HR is in corporations, Like, if what you're teaching people to do- Yeah ... particularly on the entrepreneurial level, because it is a scary place, as Robyn and I very, you're very vulnerable in that situation, because there's so much on you to get right. So having somebody who can really tap in to the beneath the surface [00:31:00] stuff and help guide and create a plan to really action The soul level part of us- makes so much sense to me. 

Elizabeth: I do a lot of work around hiring decisions or firing decisions.

Hmm. And as a matter of fact, the gentleman my first client, I showed him what I can do, and he said, "Can you help me with hiring decisions?" I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that's easy." And he said, "Oh, I'm gonna put you on retainer right now. Let's go." So that is really important, because if you look at, like, the average C-suite hire in Silicon Valley here, you're looking after you pay recruiting and relocation, all of it, you're looking at about a million dollars for that hire.

But if it goes bad, you're looking at anywhere from two to nine times that cost. 

Robyn: Wow. 

Elizabeth: Because of the fallout and lost opportunities. could be that the culture's damaged, other people quit because of this person. the right person can obviously elevate your business. The [00:32:00] wrong person can destroy it.

And one of my clients, that was exactly what was happening, and he was scared, and he was, like, not sure what to do. And I described them physically, these two evil vectors, and said, "You've gotta buy 'em out. I said, "this one's this tall. He's bald. Anyway. I'm like, " They're raping you financially. You... launch them take every possible measure you can take and extricate them." it worked. 

he got rid of them. He attracted new investors, new advisors. I think what made the difference for him was that I brought in his father, who had passed, and his father started giving him messages.

specific messages. And he found his strength and courage in knowing that his father was watching all of this- Mm-hmm ... from the other side. 

Robyn: That's a powerful story. 

Karen: Yes. And I, I love how you're going in there with practical things that somebody can action in their business with just a little bit of [00:33:00] woo.

So it's like- Yeah ... woo. One dab, 

Elizabeth: just one dab, not two. I 

Robyn: love 

Karen: that, 

Robyn: just one dab. 

Karen: I get it. I, and I can see how that would be powerful for... Because not everybody, least my corporate world would be open to doing- 

Elizabeth: Yours would. Well, so what's... Yeah, so what's interesting- Yeah

is the gentleman I, mentioned where I helped him with the acquisition, it, no way in heck could he be identified. So we actually we ran his voice through program to disguise his voice, and his name is not mentioned anywhere. so it's interesting 'cause the people who are like that are still open.

There's just some that don't wanna be public, and others that don't mind being public. But even if they don't wanna be public, they're sure interested in having that advantage. 

 And I'm very respectful of confidentiality and using and I had to do that with federal agents, so I'm very sensitive to that, that I understand that there's still enormous skepticism and criticism that could come from this.

[00:34:00] As a matter of fact, this client, his wife's like, " What are you doing? Are you crazy working... What are you doing talking to a psychic?" And he said, "Look, I've already seen what she can do, and I'm doing it. So I suggest you go, go find yourself a psychic- "... and see for yourself. But I'm doing it anyway."

She went and she, to her credit, she did, and she's like, "Yeah, you should probably keep working with her." 

Robyn: I love that. What is one way that people who are listening or watching can start to access their own expanded intelligence in their daily lives? 

Elizabeth: I think first and foremost, you know, I used to be skeptical, so shocker alert.

I used to be skeptical. The joke's on me. So if you feel skeptical, it's really, it's okay. given our Western paradigms around religion and culture and scientific materialism, of course most people are skeptical. Makes perfect sense. But- I have never met a person who has [00:35:00] not had a vivid dream that came true, some precognition, some postcognition, or had someone close to them in their life exhibit this ability.

So you can say it's not real all you like, but you're... Come on. Everyone has had this or knows someone who, who does. Now, if you're really insistent on maintaining your worldview, then that's okay. there are religious admonitions against this. Scientific materialism doesn't want anything to do with it.

 Our culture makes it into, like I said, a scary movie. So I'm not gonna argue with anyone. so I would say, first things first, Believe whatever you wanna believe. If you're curious about this and you want to look deeply into expanded intelligence, like, just look back on your life and maybe you journal about that vivid dream you had that came true or that that so-called coincidence When there's no way in heck it could've been a coincidence. And I would say just, like, write those down and [00:36:00] That's your evidence that you have the capacity to do this. And then after that, it's really about trust. I would say trust and being willing to share with the right people. 

 There's no trying or doing when it comes to accessing your intuition. It's not a doing thing. Mm-hmm. it's a receiving thing. It's like the radio.

radio just receives. That's why I always say, "I'm like the radio. I'm not in charge of broadcasting. I'm just receiving information." Also, I'm not attached to being perfectly correct, because I'm not. No one is. It pretty much follows the 80/20 rule. I'm probably a little higher than 80/20, but I wanna set people's expectations.

 80% of what I say is gonna be immediately validating and actionable. 20% be like doesn't make sense now. Could make sense later. So that's the other thing I would say is, like, don't be attached to being right, because that's your ego. 

Robyn: so good. Yes. 

Elizabeth: Your ego w- doesn't have a place in this.

 And ego gets weird. This [00:37:00] is just a natural ability. It's just that our culture has sort of beaten it out of us. But it's absolutely in other cultures very different, very accepted, very normalized. So that's also, I think, the other thing to consider is, like, what's your level of distortion around this?

What are your ideas and your beliefs around this? Because if you believe you can, you can. . So start there. What are your beliefs around it? 

Karen: And I think too what I'm hearing from you, Elizabeth is so important that you're going in into this work with the intention of being that antenna, that translator.

Mm-hmm. You're not trying to say that it's coming from you. 

Elizabeth: No, it's not. It's through you, 

Karen: offering 

Elizabeth: that. I don't even remember what I said. Right. I don't remember giving you that advice. that sounds like good advice. I'm glad I gave it to you. Don't remember. 

Karen: But that's what's so important, I think, in even just working with someone like you for people to know that you're not trying to say you are the all-knowing or that you are the source.

It's that- you are able to be that translator of that information. and [00:38:00] that's hard, by the way, because you're trying to translate the signals and energy of somebody else. And so of course maybe you get it right 80% of the time, but there's always gonna be that either the person is not gonna understand, which often happens too.

Elizabeth: Okay, that is a big part of this. Like, there- Right? ... people get, I call it psychic amnesia. I'll tell them something very specific, and then they're like, "No, no, no." And then like five minutes later, they'll repeat what I just said as fact. Like, do you remember I told you that?

Robyn: so funny. 

Karen: That's gotta be so frustrating on your end too- Yeah ... 

Elizabeth: it doesn't happen a lot, but it happens occasionally. I think what happens is just this, it's just hard to wrap their head around- Yeah ... what's happening. 

Robyn: It... yeah. It's a processing thing, I think.

Yeah. 

Elizabeth: Yeah. their minds are unable to process, " How does this woman have this vivid information about me that she has no logical... What's going on? What's happening to me right now?" So there's some of that, especially with people who've never had the experience before. Not always, but it... I remember one [00:39:00] guy, actually, he was terrified.

 He was terrified. He's like, " How do you know this? How do you know this?" And I said, "I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how my car works."

Robyn: that is a great analogy. That is true. Yes. But we know it does, so that's, that's- That it does ... and there 

Elizabeth: you go. 

Robyn: I can't even 

Elizabeth: change the tire. That's it.

That is- I gotta call AAA. I don't know. I don't know how it 

Robyn: works ... that's the perfect way to end this conversation. I feel like you've really opened up so many people to looking at all of these abilities in a different way. And thank you for following these unlockings from that near-death experience to being at the Hoffman Institute and beyond, because as we've said, you're having a ripple effect- Yes

in this world. Mm-hmm. So we're very grateful to- Oh ... be on the journey with you, Elizabeth. 

Elizabeth: Well, I appreciate the [00:40:00] opportunity to speak to both of you and your audience, 'cause I've been in the closet for so long. We all- Now I can't shut up about it. I 

Karen: think- it's such the beginning for you, Elizabeth.

There's so much work to do and- Thank 

Elizabeth: you ... 

Karen: it's all needed, so.

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