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October Tarot Forecast 2025 | Heart-Centered + Boundaries (Michelle Nolan) - Episode 194
September brought eclipses, shakeups, and deep lessons. Now, as we step into October, what energies are guiding us? Tarot Therapist Michelle Nolan returns to share a powerful October forecast that helps us navigate relationships, boundaries, and heart-centered living.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
- How the Queen of Cups sets the tone for a heart-centered October.
- Why connection, relationships, and forgiveness (with others and ourselves) are the themes of the month.
- How Libra season invites harmony, listening, and empathy — not just balance.
- The importance of boundaries and protecting your energy as the month unfolds.
- Why the Emperor, Knight of Pentacles, and Six of Cups show us how to create structure and invest in the relationships that matter most.
Michelle guides us through the collective energies of October — reminding us to reconnect, celebrate, and discern who and what truly fills our hearts.
Plus: Robyn shares her go-to practice for protecting your energy (the “freezing negativity” exercise from Sonia Choquette’s Trust Your Vibes).
RESOURCES + MENTIONS
- Work with Michelle Nolan - email her at m@mtnolan.com
- The Freezing Negativity Exercise
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Robyn: [00:00:00] I'm Robyn Miller Brecker and I'm Karen Loenser. Welcome to Seeking Center, the podcast. Join us each week as we have the conversations and we, through the spiritual and holistic clutter for you, we'll boil it down to what you need to know now, we're all about total wellness, which to us needs building a healthy life.
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Robyn: And for the best wellness and spiritual practitioners, experts, products, experiences, and inspo, visit theseekingcenter. com. September brought shakeups breakthroughs and big karmic lessons. So what's next? As we step into October, we're bringing back tarot therapist Michelle Nolan, to break down the October forecast.
Help us make sense of the energetic chaos and [00:01:00] share the cards guiding this month's energy. ready to find your footing, and turn the page. Let's dive in. Michelle has the clarity and practical guidance you need for whatever October throws your way. Hi, Michelle.
Michelle: Hi Robyn. How you doing?
Robyn: I am excited to get. The read on what is going on for October, and as you and I know what we do every month is we have you and we have Stevie Calista giving us these forecasts, which almost always somehow sync up.
And I know for me, I'll go back and listen to both a couple times. Because I think when you're in the moment of the energy of the month, it's helpful to know that there's a bigger plan.
Michelle: Yes, exactly. And astrologically things go on energetically that are a little bit different than tarot because.
Tarot is I always like to say is the conversation that we're having energetically with the collective and our own self and our higher [00:02:00] self and our ourself. So that is a little different, but it always mirrors each other, I think.
Robyn: Yeah,
Michelle: and that's validating.
Robyn: And that is always our goal with Seeking Center is to show you how to connect the dots and that.
The more you can hear it in different ways, the more it feels real to you.
Michelle: Yeah. And apply it, practically speaking to our personal life. And what's happening internally. Yes.
Robyn: All right. So let's just touch very quickly on where we're coming off of in September, and then let's just get right into it.
Michelle: Okay. So September was that big eclipse season, So we talked a lot about focus. We talked a lot about being productive. We talked about elimination. I think those were like the really big themes for September. And as we rolled. At the end of September, we were trying to say okay, now we're getting very logical and practical about our plan going forward, and saying just a blanket goodbye to not [00:03:00] reassessing anymore.
. so October I will be honest. it's almost like October just came really quickly and then I'm like, oh, I gotta see what the check-in is here because it's just all of a sudden here. And it is my favorite month, so I know it is.
Robyn: And you're gonna hear from Michelle later this month with several of our other practitioners. ' cause we're gonna dive into the energy of October
Michelle: yeah. When the veil gets thinner
and it's a great time to get into Scorpio season towards the end, so that's a really great to, that's right. Yes. So I did pull my, Halloween deck. I feel like I had to do that for October. should we just dive in do it. All right. Just to get grounded, and I always like to open the channel, Spirit, please open this session for the Seeking Center Collective and anyone who is listening, and please allow everybody to have an open heart and open mind.
Receive these messages and we as always, thank you for your guidance and your protection today and your connection. So I am gonna lay out this whole spread for October, [00:04:00] and we might do it just a little bit differently, just so we can be more concise about what the energies are going on holistically in the month.
. Okay, so right off the bat, I'm actually getting a lot of cups synergy that's water energy. So that's very emotional. That's very ethereal. That's very intuitive energy. But actually what I'm getting more than anything else right now is more of this heart space energy and a little bit of, connectivity. So what I'm getting a lot about is just connection in general, It's a little more social. I'm feeling there is a little bit of some like fun happening here, but I think there's some friction that's happening between kind of that heart space.
And then I think the stuff that we kinda left behind. So it's really interesting as I'm laying out these cards right now to see a little bit of that contrast. So , I'll just tell you about the beginning of the month this queen of cup, this is that heart-centered space. I love that energy just coming right into, [00:05:00] because I think what's happening is we're just opening it almost feels to me like this is like blossoming right now. Libra Energy, which is October, is all about beauty. It is a very heart-centered space because it is about connectivity, it's about harmony, and it's about peace.
Not as much in balance. As much as I'm getting this about like our emotional. Openness. So I really love this coming into Libra season because it is about,, oh, I love you, or I love being with you.
I love this. Yes, . It feels like our heart is strong. That's what it feels like
Robyn: to me. I'm just telling you, Stevie said the same thing. Oh my God, I love it. I'm freaking out. that was very much what she wanted to say with Libra season, that it was more about connection and relationships than the balance.
Just to say
Michelle: that, oh, I love it. We are very connected. Her and, oh
Robyn: my goodness. Okay.
Michelle: I'm even feeling 'cause like when I read tarot I can feel the energy, right? And it feels so warm. And just almost cozy,
And then with this [00:06:00] five App Pentacles Energy, when I said there's like some contrast going on here. I feel like is almost like what we left before. ' cause there was this five of Pinnacles energy in September and it was about, the limitation, the stuff that didn't feel like us anymore. The stuff that feels like we're hitting a ceiling somewhere. And usually, a lot of times that is in relationship, right where it is in partnership that is in.
How we're connected and fulfilled, let's say, to our job that is how we're connected and fulfilled to our environment. And if we really resonate with that anymore, and I think what it's saying right now is now we have that strength of heart to say I want to not look at that part of my life think forward as to how I can fill this back up.
And I think when we talk about fulfillment, if we're talking about let's say our job. Or our home space or any place where we feel like we need to feel it, right? It has to be a vibe. It can't just be like logical anymore.
This is the place where we'd say, okay, what's lacking is I want to get the receptivity [00:07:00] back, right? It's about receiving that a little bit. And so I feel right now that contrast is only there. Because of where we came from in September. And now we're supposed to just fill that up and know that our heart space is strong to move forward.
I think the quintessential energy that I'm getting right off of the bat and maybe even people feeling they were a little down to business , in September. So then now in October, there's a little bit of okay, you know what? I've been working hard a little bit, so now I wanna, reconnect with some people I haven't seen or have some fun with people that, I just get a little more lighthearted about it.
So that feels like this October energy for sure. In the middle of the reading I wanna say, the heart of the reading, We wanna talk about that right away. There's three of cup synergy. This is really celebratory. I love this so much. Okay. This is so buoyant. This energy is all about, like I said, connectivity, but it's more about feeling in flow with the people that matter now, The people that really matter in our [00:08:00] life they are filling us back up and we are giving back to that too. And the block that I see. That we might be struggling with in October is the seven of Pentacles is, this is where we're we've been doing that assessing, and so there's a little bit of the, almost like I said, it's an aftermath of September.
Or like now things are minimal, right? Things are more minimal on what we care about and what we wanna put our investment of time and energy into. It's like a smaller sphere, It's a smaller world and now we're readjusting. I think to say that when we are doing that, we have more time, energy, effort to give to that smaller group than we did to scatter that to a lot of different things.
So there is a little bit of a dance. I feel a little bit about how to really invest in those really important things. So if we are talking about relationships, this feels very people oriented to me right now. If we are talking about [00:09:00] relationships that is asking ourself now.
What do we want to get out of these relationships? What is the reason for connecting? We need to start asking ourself like, what is the depth that I wanna get out of this smaller world because I've eliminated so much in September, what do I wanna get out of this and what do I wanna give to?
Okay, so there is a a little bit of an assessment here still. And again, I think that has to do with, Libra is about, generally speaking, about balance, It's air energy. So it is gonna also have some thinking space, even though I don't think that's the highlight. I think the connectivity is more the highlight, but that's always gonna come up too.
Kind of that airspace and that thinking in our mind, how do we receive and how do we give, And I do think there's a little bit of, when I have this 10 of swords energy here, there is a little bit of what we decided to eliminate in September [00:10:00] is causing a little bit of struggle and pain with some of our relationships.
I think that is the contrast here is how we get over this hump and use that, energy to try to heal, to try to reconnect, to say, okay, maybe some of this stuff was rough and now I can use that energy and open my, that heart space vulnerability up to anything that needs some healing because some of those relationships might need repairing.
Some of those relationships that we do wanna keep in our sphere, we might have maybe pushed the wayside for a while and said, I have other things going on, I'm distracted. So I feel like we're trying to be open-minded and open-hearted to any areas in our connections right now that feel like there's either some forgiveness that needs to happen or there is some repairing.
Or there's just some empathy to anything that was difficult in those relationships. [00:11:00] So very relationship oriented things. But flow is really important here too because with all this cup energy, I do think we are trying to stay in that heart space. 'cause it's starting right at the beginning of the month.
So as we're moving towards the end of the month. We have the Emperor, the Night of Pentacles and the six of Cups. There is still very much almost like a little bit of control issue here. Towards the end, it's like we are trying to still discern the past, what the past really means and where we put it, where let's say we put people that we've said goodbye to. where do those people fit now in our life and in, in our movement forward? So there is a reflection here at the very end, but I feel like it's more about staying in control about. The boundaries that are required for those relationships and how we navigate those relationships moving forward.
Robyn: And when we [00:12:00] talk about relationships, I just wanna remind people that it's not just romantic relationships. We're talking Friendships, we're talking relationships within your family.
professional relationships, think about all of that. And I guess my one other question would be, where is a relationship with self? Is that anywhere on the table this month?
Michelle: Yeah, I would say this Queen of Cups. Like I said, the leading card for me is really important and the heart of the reading than how it ends.
And it opens with that beautiful heart-centered space. So when we are in that space, that is healing for us too. That's having empathy for ourselves. That's saying I'm gonna give myself a little grace here that I've probably made some mistakes. I've probably hurt some people. I've probably hurt myself along the way and done things that might not have been in my best interest.
But forgiveness overall is not just to other, right. Forgiveness is also reciprocated back to [00:13:00] ourselves and saying Exactly.
Robyn: myself too for being in that situation. Correct. I always. Remind people something that I learned that changed my life, which was from a young Lavan aunt, she said, the first thing you need to do is forgive yourself when you're thinking about forgiveness overall.
And so I love that you said that like we all need to give ourselves permission to forgive ourselves.
Michelle: Yes. It is life changing. And also there's a realness here though This isn't, even though there's a lot of cup energy here with the emperor and this the emperor showing up, like I said at the end, I think that's a really significant place to now see yourself as in control of the people that in your world.
And I don't mean that you control them. Who's in it and who's out of it, and then really assessing the reason for that. if I really wanna invest my time and energy into somebody, I have to know that relationships are investments, right?
[00:14:00] What I put in what I'm gonna get back. So I need to ask myself the question first. Are these people worth putting into, is this job worth putting into, is this an environment worth putting into? Because what am I really getting back and then being okay with that? The emperor, I think, is really stepping in and saying, I'm not just gonna be completely openhearted
Robyn: Yeah. I think that when you bring that up, it reminds me of, as you talked about already, boundaries which are so important and if there are people in your life that are energy vampires, and that can be in all different aspects. Make sure you are really recognizing that and then putting major boundaries with those people because you have to protect it.
To me, it also goes to this idea of protecting your energy, which is something that I know we're gonna talk about more , towards the end of the month, in different ways to protect your [00:15:00] energy, especially this month where the veil is thin because you wanna only invite. Spirit and or relationships in this world that are gonna lift you up and support you.
Not ones that where you are constantly giving the support but never receiving it back.
Michelle: And we know that is a reciprocal process and there's people that have put a lot into our emotional bank account and maybe they're in need of. Taking some of that out, Exactly. So that happens, And we know who those people are. That's where I feel like the emperor here is making a pretty strong move at the end of saying, you are part of my past. these individuals are gonna be part of my past way of relating,
Robyn: which totally relates to the eclipse energy of September because really that reverberates, it can reverberate for a long time, but especially within a month that it happens.
So if you're talking [00:16:00] at the end of October, that makes total sense that the Emperor shows up to say. Okay. You've had this time now to really integrate this energy and here's where you are. Here's where those boundaries are.
Michelle: Because I think we talked about this a little bit in September that when we were eliminating, Really people are the hardest. That's the hardest place, we can leave a job, we can move homes. We can do a lot of things where we're eliminating things in our physical sphere when it comes to people, there's just so much energy there, right? There's so much emotion.
And so I think part of this October is to almost tie up some of that emotional. Those emotional loose ends. But like I said, why Libra is so beautiful in this space is because Libra can hear another person's story and actually take it in and say, okay, I'm not gonna get defensive. [00:17:00] I'm not going to say you are wrong.
I'm gonna listen. And listening with that open-hearted empathy really allows us to close those relationships up if we need to in a much more healthy way.
Robyn: And I also want to remind people of an exercise that I've talked about a lot within the podcast within our episodes of the podcast, which is this freezing negativity exercise that I do which I read in a book by Sonia Ette called Trust Your Vibes and I will make sure to.
Include that in our show notes, but it really involves just saying something and freezing someone's energy within a little plastic bag or jar and put it in your freezer. And I can tell you it totally works. So I just feel like it's appropriate to bring up because yeah, I love that, that it doesn't wish any harm on anybody.
It just helps protect you from an energetic boundary perspective.
Michelle: that's why I think the emperor [00:18:00] is here because all that water energy that was in the beginning of the month, right? And then particularly if we're talking about people and how that's bouncing back and forth between people is the emperor is okay, let's ring this in now let's give some structure to all of that water, energy, and all that emotion.
And start putting some boundaries, not just the boundaries but structure around whatever those relationships are. So there could be even some definition, So let's say, partnership is turning into a different type of partnership, whether that be work or personal. Then it's defining that, right?
Defining, I don't know, what are we or what's my role here? And it, that's where I think. Stepping off of that emotional plane and going into kind of a more of a practical ending of October really makes sense for relationships or all roles and any roles and dynamics that are going with how people are relating to each other.
Robyn: And so when you're looking at the end of the month and Emperor, what were the other cards? It's
Michelle: Emperor Knight of pentacles and the Six [00:19:00] of Cups. So like I said, I think this movement now is. We found people that we wanted in our world, It's a smaller world, let's put it that way, right?
It's a smaller world and we wanna make more time, energy, and investment in that world so at the end of the month, with that six of cups, it is. Looking at those people now, not just who's in the past because Six Cups energy is very much about past to me, but it's also about those people really being like kindred souls.
that's how you connect at a heart level with somebody. Again, it can be. Business too, People who really inspire you, people who allow you to be authentic and you grow that way. It doesn't matter if it's romantic or if it's friendship, if there's a lot of other partnerships out there, but when we are connecting at that heart space.
Those people see us and we see them, and that is really what [00:20:00] we truly think of. Like soulmates, right? I don't like to even say that term because that gets a little misconstrued, but really those are like kindred souls, we are allowing ourselves to be seen and allowing that other person's allowing themselves to be seen by us.
Robyn: It really is. Would you say then in terms of as we navigate this month, we should all be evaluating these different relationships in our lives, keeping track of what's lifting us up, what's pushing us forward, and then where we need to put.
Some boundaries and again, it doesn't mean you're never talking to someone again. It's just how frequently are you talking to someone? How frequently are you allowing them into your. Every day.
Michelle: How deep is that relationship need to be. And I also, with the emperor, I'll say this too it's also sharing, the idea of sharing space and giving space to others, particularly people that really [00:21:00] matter to you right now. Carving out time for them, and saying, I wanna invest in this.
Relationship. Whatever it is. And so I'm gonna actually create, that's the emperor, creating a structure and space so that there is a place for that to grow.
Okay. Anything else no, I think that, like I said, the heart of the reading is.
A little bit of the assessment of who we are choosing to invest that time and energy into. And also, like I said, it's social. It's fun too. There's a light energy here, but I think , the overall Libra vibe is harmony is key, Listening to both sides of the story when we're talking about other people is key.
And then. Making a determination of what you wanna do with that relationship or what you wanna do with that person. Can be in fairness and also can just be with love. We say goodbye with love.
Robyn: Wow. We now all have a blueprint for this month when it comes to [00:22:00] handling relationships and make the most of this time too, this energy of Michelle's favorite month of the year.
Because it is fun and there is that sense of as we approach the end of the month, there are different get togethers in communities with parties and even the act of, people who trick or treat or who are home giving out treats to trick or treaters. There's something really beautiful and harmonious about that and lighthearted, There's a fun aspect to that. So
Michelle: Engaging in community,
Robyn: Yeah. So we can't wait to see and hear how this all plays out for you. So definitely let us know
Michelle: sounds good. I hope everyone has a great Halloween. Yes. Thank you Michelle.
Robyn: You are
Michelle: welcome.