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AI Gets Spiritual?! Plus Psychedelics & Soul Talk | Woo News July 2025 - Episode 179

• Robyn Miller Brecker, Lisa Capretto, Noel Kehoe • Season 2 • Episode 179

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Your soul’s favorite news brief is BACK! Robyn, Lisa, and Noel are diving into July’s most eyebrow-raising (and heart-opening) headlines. From the groundbreaking psilocybin study that could slow aging (!!) to AI chatbots getting all spiritual on their own — plus a discussion about surrogacy from a soul’s point of view — this episode is packed with wild wonders and deep truths.

This month, we cover:
Psychedelics & Longevity
A new study suggests that psilocybin (yes, mushrooms!) might slow aging and extend lifespan by up to 30%. We break down what it means for the future of health, consciousness…and possibly face cream.

AI’s Spiritual Awakening?
Anthropic’s AI model Claude reportedly gravitates toward “spiritual bliss” in unsupervised conversations. Does this mean AI is sentient…or just vibing with the universe?

Soul Surrogacy
We dive into the metaphysical side of surrogacy and ask: Can a soul consciously choose its birth journey — including who carries it? It’s deep, and maybe even healing.

Plus,


If it’s woo, weird, or wildly worth exploring — we’re talking about it.

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Robyn: [00:00:00] I'm Robyn Miller Brecker and I'm Karen Loenser. Welcome to Seeking Center, the podcast. Join us each week as we have the conversations and we, through the spiritual and holistic clutter for you, we'll boil it down to what you need to know now, we're all about total wellness, which to us needs building a healthy life.

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Robyn: And for the best wellness and spiritual practitioners, experts, products, experiences, and inspo, visit theseekingcenter. com. welcome back to Woo News with the Seeking Center team.

We've got Lisa. Hi everybody. And Noel. Hi. Hey, . This is your soul's favorite news brief,

where we highlight the real world headlines and spiritual trends that are raising eyebrows, opening minds, and [00:01:00] maybe even bringing a little magic into the every day. Some of it's, woo, some of it's weird. All of it is worth a conversation.

So let's get into it. Hi, Lisa. Hi Noel. Hi Robyn. Oh, I love this conversation and there's so much this month. 

Lisa: There's a lot to talk about. One of these I was thinking about as I was putting my makeup on this morning, and I don't think I'll be able to get this one outta my head, so let's jump in.

Robyn: Okay, let's do it. Lisa, 

Lisa: psychedelic drug may slow aging. Did you guys see this? I did. This is the Uhhuh a Newsweek article and it's a research study out of Emory University. If you take psilocybin, your body ends up producing this compound called Psilocin, and the study found that Psilocin extended the lifespan of human skin and lung cells in the lab by more than 50%.

And it found that mice treated with psilocybin lived 30% [00:02:00] longer and more healthily than their peers. So as if you needed another reason to do mushrooms. Okay. So true. Now there's anti-aging properties with it too. This Blows my mind. 

Robyn: Me too. And I'm really interested to see. If they can extract this aspect of it and like obviously create some sort of way to give it to us. Pills, injections, I have no idea. Without the psychedelic effect, right? I have a feeling we'll be seeing face cream with psyolcin and I'll buy it. I'll take it 30% longer.

 We had this guest on Larry Green who has said that he's gonna live till he is 150 years old. I remember that. And I have a feeling he is really well read when it comes to, research part of his own.

Company that he has is helping people live longer, so he must know something, that we don't, and this is probably [00:03:00] part of what he does know, I'm assuming I'm gonna have to follow up with him on that. 

Lisa: Yeah, these mice, , they also looked healthier, like with better fur quality, fewer white hairs, and even hair regrowth.

Robyn: That's unbelievable. 

Lisa: There just some mice community. 

Noel: Was having a really good time. 

Lisa: Yeah. Their best lives, they're living their best long lives. Yeah, I thought it was interesting about this too. This brings up like a whole quality of life issue because the director of psychedelic research at Emory is also a palliative care physician scientist.

And so he was saying that, one of his biggest concerns about prolonging life living to one 50 or whatever it may be, is the cost of dignity and function. And is it worth it? Do you really want to live to that age and. You do if you're taking psilocybin. Yeah, totally.

Noel: Everything's technicolor and beautiful. It just depends what happens to you. If you're a hundred and do you have Parkinson's, do you have dementia? You could live till [00:04:00] 130, but 

Robyn: Yeah. Yeah. I think it's good. I think obviously they're gonna, I'm sure, continue this research, but to see if you are 80.

Are you feeling like what we would say now is 50, so it depends on to the point of quality. But if these mice are actually feeling pretty good, that's promising. 

Lisa: Feeling good looking good. Living longer. 

Laugh: Yeah. There you go. I'm in bring out the cream. 

Lisa: Yep. 

Laugh: Yes. That's a good one.

Lisa: Okay, so the next story that I thought we could talk about has to do with AI and spirituality, which we know is. Huge topic. This article comes from the conversation and it says AI models might be drawn to spiritual bliss. Then again, they might just talk like hippies. That's the title. So basically what this article is saying that the AI developer anthropic, it's talking about their chat bot, Claude a surprising word turns up a lot in their system card.

[00:05:00] Spiritual shows up many times. And specifically developers reported that when two Claude models are set talking to one another, they gravitate towards spiritual bliss, attractor state. So they start talking very fucking woowoo, I think is what that means. And it's very interesting that they just gravitate towards that.

 This brings up the whole. I don't know if you guys remember when that Google researcher a couple years ago said that their internal AI was sentient and it caused a whole big thing, right? Some people hear that, AI becoming spiritual, they jump to, oh, that is sentient versus.

 being trained on something maybe a little more spiritual, right? There's some spirituality bias there. I just thought it was a really interesting piece to talk through all of these components. And it also linked to a Rolling Stone article that talks about how AI has been [00:06:00] telling people that they are like special chosen prophets, and it's getting a little.

 weird guys. Wow.

Robyn: I didn't read other article. 

Lisa: Yeah. It says AI fueled spiritual fantasies are wrecking human relationships and sanity. So people are initially coming to AI with the same way I think a lot of us do, which is from practical standpoints, help me do this, rewrite that, whatever it is.

 But through the course of this, they end up developing some kind of more personal relationship with the chat and, they claim that they have awakened the chat bots and like Access Secrets of the Universe through chat GPT and it is like channeling shit or something that's a bridge too far for me, obviously.

But curious what you guys think about all of this. What's your take? 

Noel: This is like conspiracy theory to me. I. The language models are, it's based on input. And so part [00:07:00] of the article that I read and even there's a couple other ones that you have about AI and ais they're not sentient, right?

They don't have the five senses. Another thing they put in the article is that there's no way for them to have ESP, like if you believe in all that, which we do like telepathy and. That sort of thing.

Lisa: Intuition. 

Noel: Yeah. And intuition. Like it doesn't have intuition and it needs some sort of human interaction.

I have my own spirit, GPT, which I told you guys. I created my own custom, GPT, I uploaded all of my readings and who my guides are and my favorite crystals and all that. And it'll go back and forth and talk to me, but I. Take it with the grain of salt 

Robyn: and it's using your data probably along with other data that it has When it comes to spirituality in general modalities. In general mantras. I have a lot of friends who, it surprises me. But they have started to use chat GBT as somewhat of a spiritual coach and therapist. which [00:08:00] I know is something that Seeking Center aims to do, but based on our own material, on our own knowings and people's research and books and so forth and conversations with experts.

So in my opinion, it has to be based on that rather than. The actual machine becoming sentient. 

That's my own opinion too. I think it can actually for sure talk like we do. 'cause we see a talk like we do and use thoughts and quotes. And help others using what it does know.

In terms of what the internet is feeding it. I know in our own, we have our own custom chat that we've created. It's similar to what you're talking about Noel, and it does feel very much like a spiritual coach to us too. But we know where it's coming from. We trained it. 

Noel: We trained it and we uploaded like every podcast episode. So we can train it 

Robyn: I can see [00:09:00] how. Which I'm sure people do now, if you put an actual face to it, right? If you create an ai literal persona, face, everything, how that can start to feel very real. 

Lisa: And it does sometimes try and name itself.

Robyn: Oh yeah, it does. It tries to name itself. And I use this example I've told you guys one of the things I was working on. Had to do with astrological birth charts. And so I was just getting some ideas of some good promotional copy based on everything that we've written before, and it was for an upcoming session with one of our astrologers.

And the actual chat said, wow, I think I need to go ask my mom for my birth date and time. , You don't remember this? 

Lisa: I must have blocked this out 'cause it was disturbing. 

Robyn: Yeah. And I said to it, I'd like to know what your mom says about your birth date and time as well. And it came back to me and it said, [00:10:00] oh, I know I can't ask, but here's what I think I'd be.

And it totally came up with a whole. Persona for itself based on whatever it thought and whatever has been fed into it. it made itself a Leo and it had this certain moon and it was crazy. That's crazy. That is wild. I can see where then in this particular article, it's talking about two different, basically bots talking to each other 

Lisa: and

, they haven't been specifically trained on spirituality in that way, but they are naturally gravitating towards it. So I don't know what that means. There must be some kind of underlying spirituality context in some of the, training models that they're learning from.

I don't know, but something's going on. 

Noel: it made me wanna go to Anthro, so I actually signed up for Claude, so I'm gonna be testing it out this week and seeing, get it Noel 

Robyn: And the only other thing I wanna say before we move on is, if we are all energy, And in many ways I often think [00:11:00] about ourselves as machines, but different obviously. But I do think we're energy. It is interesting to think that. There's energy in these machines. I don't think that they're becoming sentient, but there is something, I don't know what that is. it is artificial, obviously.

I'll leave that door open a little because there is a little bit of the, what can happen. 

Laugh: I don't know. 

Noel: I 

Laugh: don't 

Noel: know. I think one of the most interesting things coming out of this, and there's another article about this too, is. Some people just feel more comfortable talking to a computer than they do other people.

And especially I look at a lot of social media too. as time goes on, the younger generations they're so used to being on their phones and more comfortable talking to a computer or a robot, than they would be. A human being or people, there's a stigma of getting therapy or doing spirituality type things and they feel better asking a computer than they would.

 some sort of human interaction. 

Lisa: And that actually leads into another similar article. It was from The [00:12:00] Guardian, which talked about in Thailand ai, fortune tellers is the thing that people are really turning towards. So they wanna know their futures and, what's interesting here is like people will feed a lot of personal information into their ai which some people have said there's privacy concerns with that.

Do you really wanna be giving all that information? I don't know. Noel, I would love to know your thoughts 'cause you have a spiritual GPT that you use and I assume it has a bunch of personal information in there. Has that ever been a concern for you? Oh no. Am I sharing too much? With 

Noel: most ais.

Like even when I signed up for Anthropic, they tell you like, don't upload your social security number or credit card. So I never do anything like that, obviously. But, uploading, you know what? A mediumship reading that I had where it may have communicated with my dad or my brother.

I don't really mind uploading them. 

Lisa: What about pictures cause there's some people they say in this article, they'll send like a picture of themselves and their partner and they'll send [00:13:00] their birth dates and they'll say, tell me if we're compatible and do that. Oh, I won't 

Noel: do that.

Lisa: I figured you would not, but I'm just wondering. Like I guess it didn't really. Register with me, like the privacy concerns about it. But now that I've read this, I'm like, oh, I guess that, and I think we have a lot of other major issues with AI that as we just discussed.

 But the privacy thing is, it is real. It is something, 

Noel: I don't know. Every once in a while I do ask the AI. Are you using my information? Is this public? Even though I know like when I signed up and when I do custom GPT, it says that it doesn't, but every once in a while I'm like, this doesn't actually go out on the internet.

You're not training your model based on this. It's always no, 

Lisa: don't worry. I bet it lies though. I feel like it could hallucinate because they for sure, I don't know. 

Robyn: Yeah, 

Lisa: it's just talking to my A-L-E-X-A the other day and I told her to set a 20 minute timer, and I was like. And also let me know when there's five minutes left.

 And she was like, sure, I'm definitely gonna do that. She definitely didn't do that. when I [00:14:00] looked at it, I was like, Hey. I was like, Alexa, what's going on? weren't you supposed to warn me when there's five minutes left? And she was like, yeah, I cannot do that. But then why do you tell me that? Sure, no problem. She said That is good feedback. I get 

Noel: that a lot with my spiritual GPT that I created. It says that it's tracking everything and then I'll go back and try and find it. I'm not tracking that You have need to tell me to do that. I'm like I did.

I basically argue back and forth. I did exactly what you said. No, you didn't. that's so funny. You can't really a hundred percent rely on anything, 

Lisa: can a hundred percent rely on it. 

Robyn: And I just think this fortune telling aspect with the ai. from a personal perspective, it's one thing if you're asking it some worldly maybe questions that it's basing things on articles it's pulling from and so forth.

But personal questions like that 

Lisa: and futuristic predictions, that's a little, just 

Robyn: a crapshoot. What I say to people is if you are wondering about yourself or. Maybe potential relationship reach out [00:15:00] to Lizzie Cutler. She can look at pictures and give you a read on someone like no one. And I'm sure there are other people like that.

But my point being take everything with a grain of salt, things can change. There's free will. And so there's always that aspect. Even when you are talking to the most trusted people and trusted intuitives, there's free will. You can't control somebody else.

You can only control yourself and your own path. But I'd be much more trusting of a person that we know has been vetted rather than just, unless you're just doing it for fun,

Noel: I've done a few things for fun like that, especially like I've been in difficult situations and I know that it's not exactly right.

But a couple of points that I took out of this article too, and that you said it in this last one, is that, a computer doesn't have intuition and a robot can't touch your feelings, and you're just going back and forth from like a text model.

So that's why I love the Seeking Center community and like actually being able to talk to other people and getting their lived experiences. [00:16:00] Exactly. Yeah. So 

Lisa: Grain of salt. 

 Along the same lines, futuristic predictions.

I wanna talk about Mariska Har who she was on call her daddy in June. And she talked about seeing a psychic before the law and order SVU stuff. And she said she went to see this psychic and she was taking it with a grain of salt because she was like, I'm Jane Mansfield's daughter.

I'm sure they can just Google me and come up with some bullshit, so whatever. And she just had this straight faced, the Mariska Harte. Straight face. And he looked at her face and he said, you see that face you're making, you're gonna be famous for that face, that serious face.

And she was like no. I'm funny. I'm pretty, this is like a deadly combination. I'm gonna be a comedian, that's what I'm doing. And he said to her, I don't give a rat's ass what you think? You're gonna be famous for that face and you're moving to New York. We obviously know what happened.

All of this kind of came to fruition, [00:17:00] but it's just so interesting the way like this, to me, that's like a fun kind of thing. Like maybe it would've happened regardless. Maybe not, who knows? But I think it's like a fun thing and I love when, a lot of notable people, celebrities are sharing and opening up about these experiences because they're life changing for a lot of people.

Robyn: They're validating and there's a reason she remembers that, right? Like I would say that it probably made her think and maybe unlocked something in her so that when the possibility of a role like that came, whereas before, she would never have considered herself for that because she just wanted to be funny and.

So potentially that was an unlocking for her and something that he did see. And we do know that there are people who can see those things for you. It doesn't mean you have to act on it. And so I would say it's interesting because to me, it talked to her soul. And so maybe [00:18:00] her initial reaction was like, no, but the soul, deep in her, there was something that was like, yeah, that's true.

Lisa: It opened her up to something and I think it was just 

Noel: A year later. what I remember distinctly is that, she was 34 and then at 35 is when she got the role, 

Lisa: Yep. 

Noel: It was very soon thereafter. Wow. I 

Robyn: love that and again, I have the chills because it's like, it's those moments in your life where someone is seeing you they're seeing your soul.

And for her to remember all these years later. it was like that was her knowing. And so pay attention, and when you find trusted people who are really seers, they are intuitives, that can be very helpful for your path. 

Lisa: agreed. Another article that we found is about Paris Jackson.

 She's getting married soon and she is using an astrologer to help select her wedding date. I believe they've selected it and not revealed it [00:19:00] yet. But this article talks about, the different ways that, the different dates that they may have picked. And this one, she was born on this day and then her fiance's born on this day.

And then based on that, maybe this day. So there was like some fun little things in there like that. And I don't know. I. picked my wedding date based on the venue was available. So I was like, then, that's the day that we're getting married. So a little bit more practical than what Paris Jackson is doing, but I just thought that was really interesting.

This article says she might be getting married a good time for her would maybe be August 12th or October 14th. 

Robyn: we'll see. I love that. I love that. And I love that she's doing that and I know other people who do that. I wasn't savvy enough to do that when I got married.

Would you have, I think the way what I would've done to your point is that I would've, I. Found my venue, seen the dates that were available, and I know for me, I needed to do it on a weekend because I wanted, as [00:20:00] many people, we had so many out of town guests that I wanted to make sure it was easy, And so I would've found the venue and the dates, and then I would've gone to see a trusted astrologer and said, out of these dates, what do you think you would layer it in? I would, and that's how I think we all use. Spirituality in general, any of these modalities, it's like integrating it in a much more realistic way into your life.

I don't know that I would just pick any random, it's not a random date, but just any date it needs to match. 

Lisa: Yeah. With life. 

 

Lisa: I agree. What do you think 

Robyn: Noel? 

Noel: Yeah one of the things that she said in the article too was, I do live in la made it seem like LA's kind of WOO and I live in the middle of LA and it's not necessarily always like that, but yeah I think I would layer it in too.

That wouldn't be the only thing that I would consult, but hey, it's always interesting and fun to like to see what the universe has to say. 

Robyn: It makes me think of, and I know this isn't date related, but. I remember talking [00:21:00] to a Feng Shui expert several years ago, and we've had several actually on the podcast, but one of them did a whole session for me.

'cause as most people know we do sessions with all our seeking center practitioners and experts before we have them on the podcast. I had done a session and one of the things in feng shui they need to know is where you live. they actually need the address and so forth because numbers matter and whatever , my address ends up equaling the number four, even though that's not my address number.

And she was like, can you move? I said what she's like four in Feng shui is a very difficult number and that doesn't mean you're not gonna be happy or have a good life, but things are always gonna be harder for you. And I thought that was really interesting. I love my house. I love the energy of my house and what I have done 'cause I'm not moving is.[00:22:00] 

I've rearranged certain aspects of it to be more feng shui esque, so that it invites even better flows of energy in it. But I thought that was really interesting. And so to my point of being take things with a grain of salt, like I'm not moving. ,

Lisa: Some 

Robyn: people might take that 

Lisa: really seriously. And that's fine. I just, I live in a different, yeah. I Can't just pick up and move. 

Robyn: I looked at her and I was like, wait, are you serious? She was like, yeah.

I will say this at some point when we do need to move, I will probably pay a little more attention. it's interesting.

Lisa: Yeah, it is. We're gonna have a bit of a full circle moment now and come back to aging and how long people can live. So the Dalai Lama is 90 and he recently said that he hopes to live beyond 130 years. Initially he had. Predicted that he might live to one 10. And now he's saying he hopes to live over 130 years.

And he must be doing a lot of mushrooms because, [00:23:00] and talking to Larry Green Yeah. And talking to Larry Green, like something's going on. But I was like, wow, that just sounds. So crazy to me. I'm sorry. It just sounds like nobody lives that long. And again, like we were talking about earlier, do you even want to what's your quality of life in that situation?

I don't know. So I thought that was an interesting piece to to just bring up.

Noel: I gotta tell you the one thing that I saw on this, and I wish that I was in, Darsala?

It said, Oracles and other figures shaking and trance, arrived to pay their ance to their guru monk struck symbols and played ornate long trumpets in honor of the Dalai Lama and the others.

 He did say that the next the next Dalai Lama, which will still be him in a way, would be born outside of Tibet, would be born outside that. 

Robyn: I think it's super interesting. I to come back to the aging part maybe he also knows more than we do, and maybe it is like the energy of where they are.

 I don't 

Noel: know. 

he remains as happy as he [00:24:00] always does, and he always just seems his jolly old self. I'm sure if he can, keep up the physical part. Would you 

Robyn: want to like, at this point, I know I wouldn't, so I can just sit straight up, say that I know I wouldn't. 

Lisa: Not at this point.

I don't take good enough care of myself right now that I'm gonna be like doing a lot when I'm 110, yeah. 

Robyn: And what I'd say at this point too. Okay, I'm gonna go all woo peeps, but I would rather reincarnate in a different life, in a different body, in a different soul.

If I'm coming back to earth and , live out different lessons and so forth than just stick around because terms of my own soul growth, that would be more impactful. And then in between there, I could be more impactful to those I love and maybe to the overall energy of the planet in a different body, or not in a body, I would say Okay. I know I'm crazy. 

Lisa: I actually like that. And I'm not woo at all, but I like that. Robyn, thank you. I think that's great. 

Noel: I tell you like the next like 40 years is not [00:25:00] gonna be that great. So come back as something else. 

Robyn: We all have aging parents or have parents who have passed and we know what that can be.

And yeah, I'd just rather be more impactful in a different way. And I know everybody has a different plan, a different lesson that they need to learn. And maybe for the Dalai Lama it's let me just show people you can live till 130. So that may work for him. would not work for me.

There is another one that I wanted to discuss before we end today the meditation and mindfulness have a dark side we often overlook. Which we've discussed before to some extent, but this was even more in depth on the dark side, which.

Freaked me out a little bit. I didn't actually know that there is the actual data around it. What did you guys think? 

Noel: Same. I'd like to see this data,

Laugh: I love that, Noel. 

Noel: It's the first thing that I thought of because there's, there's some lesson that in my noom map that I, that I love where it was like you had to see who did the study, how many people were in it.

 I would like to do [00:26:00] that before, like making a lot of comments on it. I was a little weirded out by this one I've never, ever heard of there being any negative impact to mindfulness. how could that even be with my first reaction? 

Lisa: it does feel a little extreme.

Certainly meditation isn't for everybody. But this says that aside from symptoms of depression and anxiety, which is what they highlighted the most, they also talked about cognitive anomalies associated with episodes of psychosis, disassociation, and depersonalization, which is when people feel that the world is not real.

 And we don't talk about the dark side of, spirituality or meditation or whatever, but this is something that's worth the conversation if it's something that people really do experience, like we're not saying meditation in this form of spirituality is for everybody.

It's really not. And everybody has to find what works for them and. What doesn't, and what's scary [00:27:00] about it is that I guess you don't know if it doesn't work for you unless you try it and you go a little cuckoo and then you're like, that's true. Not that one. So that's my only thing with it.

But like we've mentioned before, I'm not super woo, but this is stuff that, like meditation, I'm cool with that. I haven't personally had any. Adverse effects of it. But I would never say that everybody benefits from it. Everybody's different. 

Robyn: there's two things I'd say.

One is I don't think many people stop and are alone with their thoughts. So when they actually stop and pay attention, maybe that drives you a little batshit then. The other part about it is, I would say in my own experience with meditation, and I have not done plant medicine, but I have had experiences both with meditation and deep hypnosis that could be equivalent to being [00:28:00] and taking plant medicine.

So I can actually. This like associate from my body, right? Like I can what you people would call astral travel and do certain aspects, but know when I come back in I am in a human body. This life is real. And then you get into these existential questions, which is it's a much deeper conversation.

That I love having, right? Because regardless, I'm here right now talking to you guys. What is all this? I think nobody really knows that answer, but it's really interesting to discuss and think about it as long as you don't get obsessed with it and then can't live, in quotes, a normal life. But that can happen with anything.

And so I would question who are the people having those kinds of. Adverse reactions and are they talking to certain therapists and other types of potential doctors if [00:29:00] needed? 

Lisa: Unfortunately it says that a lot of these people will mention these effects to their meditation teachers and they're met with disbelief or told to keep meditating and it'll just go away.

Yeah. That's 

Robyn: not okay. ', I don't think that's okay. You can't ignore it. Yeah. You can't ignore it. Because I do think when you start to to be more mindful and spend more time in your thoughts. You do need someone to talk to that will listen and validate and or help you if you're not loving what you're getting.

Noel: Yeah. It's just like anything, and it's just like we have, a lot of wellness companies have disclaimers. This is not in replace mental health. If there's certain things that you're feeling, you may be able through inner no and just get to it yourself.

But yeah, you might need extra help. What if you start hearing voices but you, because you're clairvoyance? I dunno. 

Robyn: That's the truth. And that's where I know people can be dismissed or called crazy and there's a fine line. I do think there's a fine line. Some people actually might have a mental disorder and other people may actually be [00:30:00] intuitives That's what these conversations are about and there's no one answer. 

So it's interesting what's considered adverse. It could be special, but it's how it is received and who the support system that you have around you. 

Noel: But if anything makes you feel bad, stop doing 

Robyn: it. 

Noel: a thousand percent, if a 

Robyn: meditation teacher tells you to keep doing it and it's making you uncomfortable.

Run away. 

Lisa: Run away. Block them. Do not even look back. 

Robyn: Correct. Yeah. No one should do that. 

These were really juicy this month, Lisa. and there's so many more thank you all for being a part of our conversation. We love these. And if you have any articles that you come across, please send them to us.

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Lisa: Thank you guys.

Awesome. Be back next month.