Navigating 2025 with Tarot Wisdom from Michelle Nolan - Episode 145

What’s in the cards for 2025? Literally. As part of our series to get us prepped and centered for this new year, we’ve called in one of our soul sisters, Tarot Therapist Michelle Nolan, to get a read on what this year may have in store for you.

Michelle has an undeniable and clear connection to Spirit – and she has her own unique way of using Tarot.

She's guiding us through the collective energy of 2025, quarter by quarter, using her unique approach to tarot therapy.

If you're ready to align with the year’s vibrations and step into your personal power, this episode is a must-listen.

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• 0:00 Introduction
• 0:45 Navigating 2025 with Tarot Wisdom from Michelle Nolan

Transcript

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Robyn: And for the best wellness and spiritual practitioners, experts, products, experiences, and inspo, visit theseekingcenter. com. What's in the cards for 2025? Literally, as part of our series to get us prepped and centered for this new year, we've called in one of our soul sisters, tarot therapist, Michelle Nolan, to get a read on what this year may have in store for you.

 [00:01:00] Michelle has an undeniable and clear connection to spirit and she has her own unique way of using tarot. She's going to give, she's going to, she's going to give us her take on the energy of this year for the collective. If you're curious about what may be ahead, And you want to feel more prepared and intentional with this year.

You don't want to miss this conversation. Hi, Michelle. 

Michelle: How 

Karen: I have to say this is almost. Always my favorite time of year, just so that we get this little glimpse into what is to come. we are so ready for this conversation. 

Michelle: I am ready to let's close out 2024 and give gratitude to it and move on to 2025 with.

passion and some anticipation. 

Robyn: Yes. And for those who haven't heard previous episodes of Seeking Center with you, can you explain what tarot therapy is on a high level just to give people context? 

Michelle: So tarot therapy is my own version of what I call psycho [00:02:00] spiritual work. It's based in healing, but I use tarot cards as my tool, a little bit of astrology, a little bit of and then my empathic gifts and channel what I believe to be is giving a voice to your soul.

And so you can align with your energetic path, remove any blocks that are happening right now. But it's not about predicting the future. It's about aligning with the highest vibration of the energy that's available to you and the purpose of your path. 

Robyn: And the way that you connect with, Each card is so deep and you really help bring all of that to life, for each of us in connection to our own souls.

And then I know what we're doing today is really this collective energy. 

Karen: And I was going to ask Michelle, how do you do a tarot therapy going to do a tarot therapy reading on a year, 

Michelle: it is vague to a certain degree, right?

We're not doing a deep dive, like I would do an individual session, but there are always energetic themes that come up in people's [00:03:00] lives when we're talking about a timeframe of the year, and we're going to break it up into the quarters and see what the hard hitting energies or the threads of energy that are happening in those timeframes.

So that we can use that energy for our own personal lives and on the collective scale to the best way of use for that energy, because energy is not good or bad, it's about neutralizing it and understanding what the highest vibration of it and then what the lowest vibration of it is of that.

So I'm not going to go into prediction, but it's more about I believe the way I focus on my work is starting on an individual level and making those changes individually. actually helps change the collective. So if we focus there first and we are living in our own highest vibration, then that influences everything else around us. 

Karen: Shall we begin? 

Michelle: Yeah, let's begin. And I picked my decks. And all of you, you've seen these reads before I use multiple decks for clarifying. And every deck has its own energy for me. So I picked [00:04:00] four decks that I'm going to use.

One for each quarter. Just so you know, I was meditating before coming into this taping everything felt a little lighter to me in general.

Comparison to last year, it felt a little more playful. It felt a little fresher. I felt like everything just feels a little louder, but not in a negative way at all, but in a fresh way. So we'll see if I'm right about that, but we'll start.

The 

Karen: that you're shuffling right now, name of it? Is there a theme? Yeah, 

Michelle: This is the star seed tarot deck. And it's very ethereal. So for the first three months of this year, this is a very soft and subtle energy.

So I'm curious to what I picked this for, or what I was feeling to pick this for the first three months. But it is deep in the sense that it's a very spiritual deck for me. Okay, so it's a very like I said, ethereal. More like otherworldly realm. Alright, I know I always like to Be able to open the channel.

So I'm just gonna use my words that I use. Opening for session. Spirit, please give me and concise messages for what it is you want to [00:05:00] speak with the collective about today. And please allow everyone to have an open heart and open mind to receive these messages. And as always, we thank you for your guidance and your protection to that.

So what is in store Spirit for the first three months of the year?

Oh, see just what I said, spiritual opening. so we're starting with the hermit card in this deck. It's called the serenity. But it is quiet So there is a peacefulness to this deck in general. So that's what I was feeling All right. So the serenity card or the hermit card is all about what i'm feeling is It starts off.

I remember last year was loud. Do you remember that like we talked about the ace of swords? That was a big thing. I remembered of that year You but this starts with more of an internal space and actually a little bit of isolation. When we talk about the hermit card, and this makes sense a little bit from what I felt like we were coming off of in 2024.

There was a sense of we were closing [00:06:00] out chapters in a very big way. Now, I know that sounds. Of course you're closing out chapters at the end of 2024, but this seems like in a worldview way, in a collective way, in a big change kind of way, and now we have to pull that energy back into beginning of 2025 and really feel what it feels like to have gone through all that.

 I am feeling this isolated element here that has to do, I think with where this spiritual shifts were in yourself. And a lot of times that also separates us from people.

That's not a space that we really share a lot with others. It's a space that we process on our own, and it's a space that we allow for any of the lessons that we needed to take with and bring into obviously this 2025 year and feel out where it is that we're going to Really commit to with those lessons that we learned from 2024.

so there is like an isolated feeling here But I also [00:07:00] remember and in our reading at the end of 2024 There was that space of I think there was the five of Pentacles if I remember correctly which had to do with feeling out of place 

when we feel like we've shifted out of place, and so the hermit has a similar vibe to that. some people might be feeling fairly alone in the beginning of 2025, like we've been set out in the cold a little bit, and now we really have to process that and what that means. Again, collectively, we can say that we are a little uncomfortable because now we have to internalize. all the things that we've learned in 2024.

so it is spiritual and it is peaceful. So there is something about that isolation that is not unwelcoming. Yeah 

Robyn: that resonates majorly. 

Karen: I remember Michelle, that every card has a positive and a negative to it, right? Yes. 

Michelle: Yeah. High and low, like I say. Yeah. so we neutralize it.

What I like to say was we neutralize it [00:08:00] by giving it not a connotation of good or bad, Because it's ying and yang. It's all energy. It has to be. You have to have the contrast for that to exist, you have to isolate to process. You have to have contraction. to expand. You have to have quiet to hopefully be able to speak.

 And it 

Robyn: feels like a pause yourself in order to be even more present and open for the rest of the year. 

Michelle: And I does feel, the subtle vibe of, What that really is meaning for right now it does feel a little bit skewed like after going through a storm and Really sitting with that energy of being like wow.

That was a lot and I guess now I just have to reorganize myself and Move forward. So there's an acceptance in this Hermit energy that I'm feeling that I think on a collective level. Most of us have [00:09:00] to embrace that kind of acceptance of maybe some things were really difficult towards the end of 2024.

And then now we come to a place of process. 

 a clarifier for that just to see because like I said, the hermit and some people are more comfortable in that space. So it is the energy of being the homebody. It's the energy of getting to work on more of a in private way, not in a loud external way.

So coming off of the year with that six of swords energy, that was the transition. This is the transition of moving From one place to the other. And so when I said about processing, feelings, processing, change, processing what it means, what it meant to go through what you went through in 2024 and again, internalizing what you need to internalize.

It's really important if the hermit is all about lesson. So if we are learning what we should have learned. We have to actually allow [00:10:00] for the space of the transition. A lot of people don't like the Six of Swords engine. We talked about this a little bit in 2024 because it's unstable, it doesn't feel like it's alchemized in a grounded way. pulling our energy in and contracting that allows us to probably, hopefully later have the energy to move. this is a very internal space. this is all still, there's three months. So after the hermit card, we're getting the emperor.

I know we had in the beginning of 2024 as well. So there's a couple of things I'm picking up with this. Authority is still a major topic here. Authority and rigidity and structure of the collective structure. If we're looking at it that way first. And this really still feels like a acceptance of that and acceptance of who is, what is, and internally is in power.

 Collectively speaking, I think There is a little bit of also of an acceptance of the powers that be and I know that sounds almost ominous But I don't [00:11:00] want to be like put it that way Because I know we've talked about this just recently Rob and Karen about Contrast. 

 And needing to understand what power really means. What does power really mean? Do you have power individually to change? Does the collective have power to individually change? Are there powers that also you need to protect against or guard against and to fight against.

So tension is really important when you talk about power. Nothing is powerful unless it's hitting up against something else. Like how do you showcase power? You showcase power by the conflict of what you're trying to achieve or challenge yourself to do or get over. And on the collective level, how does power show up, how to fight for power, how to change power, how to accept a certain level of power.

So this kind of feels to me like that contrast of what we're talking about here [00:12:00] of. The structures that have changed and need to change. And then also, where does that power lie? So personal power is really important there, Where's our personal power in what's our autonomy in things we need to protect and change.

Correct. And what are you giving power to? 

nothing: Yeah, 

Michelle: So I feel like it's a little conflictual here because we're moving from, like I said, a contracting space of pulling energy in to then butting up against kind of a, like I said, a tension of rigidity. Okay, so when we're individually changing, particularly changing the things that have been in an emperor like mode, meaning that it has been long lasting and has been there for a while, and it's something we've come to know, We have to push against it, right? It's challenging to push against something that has structure that has already built within ourselves starting first. so that part, I think, is really [00:13:00] important because. We want to welcome the contrast. If we don't have that then we can't even showcase our own power.

 to this the nine of cups, so here's where it lightens up a little bit. The nine of cups 

 Is about what we really want, thinking this very personal fulfillment first, what is it that we really want to want?

What are we desiring? What are we wishing for? Structure. To how that nine of cups feels, is important because it feels like it tells me that

the tension and the contrast that we're dealing with here is how do we deal with things that we don't want that? We don't like that. We're having a really hard time accepting This is where this actually showcases in the first three months, because what I'm seeing with this , coins is this is where the work is.

This is where the effort actually is being placed in, I know this sounds strange, but it's almost like the collective has to grow up. [00:14:00] And I know that's almost harsh, but it is a little bit, in the sense that we can't just get what we want all the time. If you look at a child and say, I love you.

Of course, I would give you everything you want, but spiritually speaking, they're saying you can't have everything you want all the time. So how do you deal with conflict? How do you deal with the contrast of not being able to get what you want right now? Are you willing to work for it? And what does that process look like?

Because what I'm getting next to that is the 10 of swords, which is understanding and accepting the things that don't jive with you. And can you accept that and move forward? Can you go through the pain that's the 10 of swords and the ending and conclusions of things that you had hoped for and wanted, and then move on to something else.

 this feels. Very adult. And I don't even you guys know me, I'm like the most [00:15:00] childlike person ever. So I don't even like, like even dealing with this kind of energy, but I can't, there's no way around it that I can feel this. That feels like a certain level of acceptance has happened.

It 

Robyn: was like this whole. Those first few months, January, February, March, we're talking about really we enter in peacefully, but also in a very contemplative place in a way. Because 

Michelle: there's an acceptance quality there. 

Robyn: Yeah. And then you're having to really deal with who you are, what's going on probably in the world.

And how does that work for yourself on a personal level and then maybe on this larger level? 

Michelle: Yeah, like, where is your power? Personally speaking, where is your power? But again, I'm just gonna use that because, I'm a very honest reader. But this idea of, telling a child that they need to grow up a little bit.

I think spiritually speaking, if we're saying like our spiritual self is grow up a little bit. Okay. You can't have, you can't [00:16:00] have the tantrum and throw a tantrum about everything you want, everything right now, this is how it should be. This would make my life easier and better. And I want it all.

Cause the nine of cups is It's a little ideal. And so the hermit who is the wise one what the lesson is saying, what can I accept? What am I willing to accept? Because that's going to be different for everybody, What am I willing to accept and move through the pain of that, right?

That might be not what I like or want. And then do this ace of wands. Start over. Oh, Because swords is, nd it's the conclusion of things, It's the, but I said, it's not just the ending. If I had a different card here, it would be like this beautiful chapter close. It doesn't feel like that.

It feels like a, Ooh, this is a painful close. And this start is a little hard, but that's why the hermit is there because if we pay attention to our 5D self is the one that says, Look, there are lessons in [00:17:00] this. We are learning. You are learning. You actually can move through this with grace.

If you learn how powerful you are in acceptance, you There is a level of vulnerability of power when we are to give away power and to let things, I think, float. 

Karen: There's a lot to process. Yeah, that is not what I 

Michelle: was expecting. I was expecting the subtlety, this quietness, but it is, I feel like a lot of this is internal though.

Speak about this. I think individually people are dealing with that level of acceptance for the collective, where things are at, what's going to be next and being like, okay time to level up and grow up in the sense that there are things I can control and there, there are things I cannot.

So what can I control? And that is where my power is, Instead of like a child screaming about everything that you want [00:18:00] in the, now you're like, no, you can have this or this. What do you want child? And once you pick, you got to give up that one. 

Karen: It's interesting too, because I think as we go on these spiritual journeys, so many times we're thinking about what do I want?

What do I want to manifest? What can I change about myself? All of the. Actionary things that we always are wanting to do in our lives. And this is a real lesson for so many of us. I can speak for myself. There is a level of acceptance in the journey of life. That is a lesson some things you cannot control.

You just can't, as you were saying, you can control your own power. That's where your power lies is how you control yourself. But there is that. Acceptance. That is lesson for all of us. So it's just good to have the watch out. 

Michelle: Yeah, it's serious. It feels like a serious beginning.

Robyn: And owning the choice, right? a choice in accepting we really do, even though it doesn't feel like that. And so it's owning that choice. It feels is [00:19:00] being given to you. 

Michelle: Yeah, and I think the owning the action of moving, because the Ace of Wands is action, the Ace of Swords at the beginning of this previous year, right?

And the other thing that we year, right? Was this was the the truth, So the action now is In a larger scale. Went through something that was tumultuous. Very tough kind of rule breaking to a certain degree. And when we demolish or choose to demolish certain structures.

What we're left with is the demolition process. Of removing all of that and then starting over the action of that is really difficult, Because sometimes there's like this anticipation for the demolition of something like it's exciting and the cleanup, not so exciting, true, 

Karen: really interesting way to end. er, right?

Michelle: And the other thing I'm picking up too, because of the hermit is powerful. It's just a very subtle power because that is a very internal [00:20:00] space. And it's a spiritual space. And so what I'm getting here is on a very individual level, the power of who you are and what is not changeable in you that someone cannot demolish is where your power is, So no matter what is happening around you, that piece is very powerful. And also you can still accept change. That other things are happening that you don't agree with, or you don't like, and know that doesn't really affect you. What I think that what happens on a collective level sometimes, is we get really caught up in think the fear is that it's changing us.

And really, it's not, if we really are strong in who we are. Oh, 

Robyn: that's a good one. That's big. 

Karen: And the fact that we've gone through so much change in the last year, we really need the first quarter of this year to really get very honest and real about who we are. What does that change done to us?

Michelle: And we [00:21:00] know, right? we're talking about the U. S., we're talking about the political platform of what's really going to be happening in 2025. And I think there's a lot of people, obviously, that are nervous about what sweeping change is going to be affecting them. and this part.

I feel like is important to really have that contrast to show you who you are to have something or someone showcase their power to you and for you to answer. 

Robyn: That's who I am. Yes. Knowing this now. Utilize these next few months to better understand who you are.

Really use the tools. To get centered and grounded with who you are and where is your power? What can not change? 

Michelle: Yeah, what can not change? And also understand how important, that's the hermit wisdom, how important it is to have the [00:22:00] contrast. If we are always like a child getting what we wanted at every single moment that we wanted it, that's not good for the child. 

Karen: I feel like I have to put that on a sticky note in, appreciate the contrast. 

Michelle: I love that. You the emperor is very masculine energy and a gender is not a part of Tarot. It's the energy of the masculinity of power. And so when we're talking about that, it's a very present in your face kind of energy.

And then What's the tension there for you? How do you respond and react to that? Just like, how does a child respond to the parent when they're getting disciplined or they're being said, no. Yeah. the hermit. Would say you learn acceptance. You learn to say, the answer's no.

All right. So so please out now yeah to start off the year so serious, but that's what I was feeling it is powerful it's just a peaceful power and a very internal power We're getting shown that [00:23:00] for ourselves. That's what I'm feeling for January to March.

So moving from March, April, May, let's see how it's changing. So this is a really cool deck. The fountain deck, the decks that I picked for some reason have this kind of lighter tone, if we're starting the year off looking like something was demolished and now the demolition crew is coming in and cleaning up, even though it's messy, it's fresh, We're cleaning a slate here. So it's messy. But yeah, we have their space also. I love that. Okay. So starting off after that 10 of swords and tarot, it only goes to 10. So when we talk about the conclusions of things, the 10 of swords was this kind of harsh okay, the answer was no child.

So now move on. we moved to the 10 of cups. what I like about this. Is it's very immediate. here's where I think the wisdom comes in from this kind of transferring from [00:24:00] this first part of year into the second quarter is I am in control of what makes me happy. I am in control of, if I am happy, I am in control of if my life is happy, happiness comes from me.

So no matter what on the external front is No matter if I, as the child did not get the piece of candy, I'm going to march off and be like, all right, I'm going to just do something else then. Yeah. Okay. So I love how this feels this kind of fresh sweep of, oh The aha of the hermit is really showcasing itself saying, I get it.

This is about how I control my own feelings in my own space. I get that now. And also, like I said, after a kind of a demolition process, we're left with space to fill in the gap here. And that 10 of cups feels [00:25:00] we like that this is concluded. We like that it got messy.

We like that because what we don't really sometimes understand is out of mess, beautiful things can happen, Beautiful chaos, as they say, can happen. we don't even recognize that until we're coming out of things, the beauty of the contrast. To see the darkness of something also is seeing the light. And that is absolutely the contrast here of the Ten of Swords to the Ten of Cups. We can go back to like how we were, what came out of COVID. People talk about that for years.

The fact that some people got closer we got to work from home and see our families more. We didn't have to commute. Nature sprouted and took over. There were a lot of beautiful things that came out of something really ugly. 

nothing: this 

Michelle: kind of feels like this is how that space is transforming to in the second quarter . so Ten of Cups, and then I have the Four of Pentacles, and the Three of Wands, and the Seven of Wands, which I had [00:26:00] before. Okay Four of Pentacles is very similar to the Hermit. It's contracted energy. This is energy. We're hoarding. Okay. This is energy. We're protecting. So this whole space in this first six months, really of the year is very protective, self protective, Like getting to this core of part of me am I not going to have influenced by any external factors? And so I want to contract my energy. Minimalize is more important than maximizing right now. Okay. because just like that, if we're looking at what happened right in COVID we started appreciating simpler things.

Little conversations with our pods and stuff like that. We started really appreciating. So the minimizing of things might be where we are finding our happiness now. Simpler. times. Simpler experiences. Working with less. because the [00:27:00] three of wands to this seven of wands tells me that this is the path we've been on for a while, starting and all this that crazy 2024 and then into 2025 is I don't think we were very conscious about what we were really doing was trying to get rid of stuff, mess, just, Things that we don't need, the extra things, the extra weight of maybe people or like material items or like all the stuff that we actually don't need, 

The Hermit knows that. The Hermit understands that. The Hermit says peace. is about minimalization. So I think when we start how this is moving is when we start to actually feel that peace now because there's less but the self protection part is really a very large portion of this because protecting your peace as that people like to say Yes.

Is a very [00:28:00] individual thing. What is peace to you? Peace to you, going on a run. Peace to you could be being in your close family. Peace to you could be having a nine to five job that you know you have and it's stable and solid. Whatever that is to you, that is what you're protecting.

So that is what I think on a collective level, we're minimizing, contracting, But on a personal level. We are understanding pinpointing, where our peace actually is, 

nothing: and 

Michelle: then detecting that. Wow. 

Karen: Very interesting coming out of that first quarter where you've got the whole power struggle thing.

Yeah, 

Michelle: because, like I said That emperor is like pretty loud to me in that first part of the year, meaning that the contrast you need to have tension. If you know how to protect from something, or if to protect yourself from something, we're not asking the question, or we maybe don't ask the question, what are we protecting from?

 What is protection if we're not protecting from something? That's the contrast. There's got to be [00:29:00] something on the other side there that we're pushing against. So if we look at this as a lesson individually and as a collective, is we're learning what is really the seed that we are protecting.

 what's the core? So that's really what, working with less, minimalizing your life is really about. It's. contracting so that you can really appreciate the process of what you have and what you do on a day to day basis and understanding that this is what's important to me.

these specific things are what's important to me. Everything else is peripheral. 

Robyn: And it feels like for those listening or watching, really keep this in mind as you're going through these first six months. What does bring you peace? What does bring you joy? usually it's the simple things do more of that, the more you can focus on that and less at the loud and the ridiculous and the things that really take you away from that.

That groundedness [00:30:00] that centeredness, what you focus on expands. So the more you can focus on the things that bring you peace, bring you joy, the less that other stuff is going to end up impacting you personally, 

Michelle: I think. Because it's a practice, meditation, peace is a practice. So if you're not actually doing it. On a day to day, meaning that if you are not saying no to people that distract you to things that you shouldn't put energy into to work that isn't really applicable to your success. If you're not saying no, then you really are not protecting that priority.

Robyn: I would even say social media. Or TV, or whatever it is that feels really loud to you, and it is that contrast do your best, make it a practice 

nothing: to 

Robyn: it off, so that you can make more of that time to really get to know You [00:31:00] it's an invitation to really 

Karen: saying Michelle, like really this whole six months is literally about that.

It's going in. And I love what you said about peace is a practice that is something and 

Michelle: a choice because to be honest. One thing I think in what I do, I see this repetitively with people that are trying to do, quote unquote, the work, right? Whatever that is for themselves, is they continue to choose chaos.

They continue to choose it. People continue to choose the toxicity. They continue to engage in the low vibrational drama. They continue to do it. And I'm not saying that it's not inviting, because that is exactly what that energy is, it wants you to engage in drama. People want to engage in the tension of conflict.

But when you choose not to, and that is when you realize That you really are responsible for your own peace. If we look on the collective, what that means is there could be [00:32:00] powers that be that are louder right now, coming into the six months, that are louder and chaotic and want to impose power.

But then what that really allows for the lesson to show us as a collective is how we stay at peace. Yeah. Do we gauge the drama and the conflict, or do we protect what is the core of what we're valuing? And I think that is different for everyone individually. Like I said, it could be someone's nine to five job peaceful to them to be able to wake up do that, right?

Yeah. 

Robyn: Yeah. And I would say those that are more part of. The drama and really engaged in what they feel is being in power are probably not listening to this. They're probably not watching this. That's true. I'm saying that because I'm sure people would say does that mean everybody 

nothing: is going 

Robyn: to find their peace?

We would hope so. However, we know not everybody. 

Michelle: But remember, 

Like how I try to do tarot and this is my [00:33:00] practice is this is a conversation that's ongoing, that we're having energetically with ourselves, our 5D self, like that parallel living idea that I. Trying to teach of that. This is the conversation we're having.

This is a conversation that we are having in this first six months with our 5D self and the 5D collective. Is peace more important? Or is conflict going to pull you in? 

Robyn: Exactly. so then where are we headed? Okay. All right. 

Michelle: But I want to make something little clear to that.

Okay. That 10 of cups, cause I was just like confirming. The nine of pentacles to the 10 of cups is a very independent energy. So the idea that what you're in control over is your own abundance, what you were control over is when you. Realize that success, abundance, love, money the better job, the better place, whatever you deem to be what you desire for yourself as [00:34:00] success, that comes first from the vibration of happiness.

And that comes first from the vibration of peace. It doesn't come from conflict and tension. That's right. so when there are loud forces outside of you wanting to draw you into that is going to decimate your own success. Personal success. 

Robyn: Or driving you from even loud and or from fear.

Michelle: It's a vibration, right? Yeah. If you engage in low vibration, expect low vibrational outcomes. Wow. It's all about the practice and the choice. It's about the practice and the individual wisdom, I think, of understanding how energy truly works for yourself and understanding that contrast.

Whether it be political, whether it be your boss, the drama in your home life, whatever it is that is showcasing you, your personal power to say no to that. So that's what I'm getting 

Karen: Lots of notes here, Michelle. Okay. 

Michelle: what is July, August, [00:35:00] September, 

 So we ended in June with this kind of very protective energy of protecting against conflict, drama, chaos, Pushing it away. Oh my God, this is cool. All right. So all these tens, okay. We started that last quarter with that 10 of cubs and now we're starting this third quarter with the 10 of So the way this is showcasing for me is

The Hermit at the very first card at the beginning of this year is really important, more important than I guess I was expecting it to be. Because this is a fast timeline, The hermit is almost like driving the ship here. Your wiser self, right? Your 5D self. If you allow that wisdom to stand from chaos around, like your adult self, right?

Not the child in you. Your adult wise self. these jumps can happen faster, Ten of swords killing [00:36:00] it. Ten of cups that is like a fulfillment of feeling of peace. Ten of pentacles is now in reality. It's grounded abundance. Success, all the things you want, need, desire in reality, So not just the feeling of it, the 10 of cups need to happen to feel that, to get that, So again, it's choice, The people that want to fly into conflict and drama and low vibrational energy, I guarantee they will get that back. They will get all of the lesser vibrational stuff. And the people that choose their higher self to stay in peace, stay in protective mode of what they value starts in this third quarter to show up in a real way of what they have been really eyeing up from themselves for this third quarter, That could be anything. That could be job, family career, whatever it is that you want your reality, [00:37:00] To consider to be successful. So that Ten of Pentacles and then to the Sun card and the Knights of Wands and the Queen of Swords. this feels like strength to me.

This is strength. Okay. Strength through wisdom, strength through experience, strength through intuition. That's the queen of swords. And confidence now of because, and again, this is choice. This is a conversation because anyone I think particularly in the year that I'm feeling here can go black or white one of two ways.

We can seize this or you can go the opposite way and be part of the chaos. That's what I think. I think it's one or the other. So if we are following the wisdom of that hermit throughout this process, this is where the confidence starts. The sun is about manifestation. This is about all the real things come into existence because we were brave enough to really listen to our intuition and understand that wisdom comes [00:38:00] people who are wise.

Normally that we see who are wise people are one what peaceful happy low conflict they usually are People that do not tell people what to do. They show them how to do something, They're not demanding they inspire They show with their own personal life what success is so that others can follow They don't say you have to do this.

You should do that You So that's really what wisdom is. So I think this is a level of strength and confidence here in this third quarter to be brave enough to stand with your own personal conviction of, I want to live my life this way and protect against all of that negativity and that negativity will be.

Kind of just fall to the wayside because I think spiritually speaking, we've decided what was really right and what was wrong. So it feels very black and [00:39:00] white to me. 

Robyn: it's very empowering know that if you do hold that conviction practice for yourself in that first six months that you really see the payoff in whatever way works for you.

Michelle: And very fast. collectively, I would say that if the right choices are made, it feels to me like when we're honoring that peace, when we're honoring that acceptance, when we're honoring a certain level of surrender, that actually is what brings people together. That's what brings people together to be able to say, actually, What I'm noticing here is I don't want the chaos.

I want to get along, the seventies had it, right.

Like peace, love, harmony. this is what we're trying to protect here. This is what the important value is. Individually, and then I think collective. But I think there, like I said, there's a certain level of bravery here. Your way through the noise.

Robyn: think that does takes a lot of diligence, I would say, and a lot 

Michelle: of [00:40:00] diligence, 

So now, the fall or the winter fall, So last three months of the year. That ended with that Queen of Swords. And like I said, the Queen of Swords she's the warrior. She's the one that went through the battle, but like I said, it's through experience that she became wise, It's through experience that she has the intellect now.

Now it's not just something she just learned in books. It's because of. She was on the battlefield. So coming from that Queen of Swords, we have the Seven of Voices in this deck But it's the Seven of Swords. Seven of Swords, Three of Pentacles, Four of Swords, and the Six of Swords again. So the Seven of Swords is Retreat.

What I think is happening here, what it feels like to me, when I said this feels pretty black and white, is I think we are starting to form a different society here, We're starting to form certain collective that wants to actually engage in the retreat of the chaos, wants to engage Alone.

Separate. The ones that don't want to [00:41:00] be part of the crazy, the ones that want to retract their energy and be in, like I said, peace, That is more important. Now it's not showing me here. I feel like the contrasting population. I feel like this is showing me a conversation of What's available and what I think spiritually the hope is that there's a group that comes out of this that wants to retract and retreat and not be in the fight.

And that is actually what's forming here. it's almost like a

that queen of swords warrior part of the wisdom that she learned with this battlefield experience is. What I remember talking to Lizzie about personally is knowing when retreat is a strategy. Knowing that when that's a strategic move and the right move. Yeah. So Seven of Swords, Three of Materials, Three of Materials is the community, the tribe, the people that I think are connecting because of this.[00:42:00] 

So on a larger scale level, we can look throughout history of how the people became, And it usually is in contrast to power, right? In contrast to oppression, in contrast to something that was opposing growth. And what happened is the connection of the people rise up because they join together because of that contrast, right?

So this is what I feel like is happening here at the end of the year Is we're pulling back energy to be like now that's crazy over there I get these people here I get these people this is what's creating My solidarity, this group here is like about what I value, which is about, like I said, harmony, peace, protecting the things that are important to me.

 The individual feeling of happiness and that actually I'm valuing that more and 4 of voices is healing energy. four voices is is not just peace? It's [00:43:00] healing. Like I want to focus on healing, not conflict. I want to focus on helping, not hurting. I want to focus on service, not taking.

So the end of the year, I think is a really, Interesting. this timeline feels almost like very pointed. And I think it's more of a step one, step two, step three, but like you're making really big choices. And it's consistent with this peace because the six of swords at the very end of the year, still telling us from the beginning of the year.

 We are still in transition. So we are not there yet, right? Like we're not, we haven't created this world that we're wanting to create, but what we're creating is I think. A larger and larger group of people that we are understanding what's really important, peace, healing, service, less, not more. 

And happiness from [00:44:00] within, not looking to without, 

Robyn: And it also, what comes to me as you're talking about this and the energy that I feel is presence. So being present in order to enjoy everyday to find that joy in the everyday amidst the chaos. Thanks. But that by the end of the year, there's less and less in your world.

If you choose of the chaos and more being in that present every day, finding that joy in the attracting . Others on that same level. 

Karen: it's like doing the exercise. You're gonna need to do it every day. Yeah. And stay in peace. 

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Especially when the chaos is unfolding around you.

Michelle: And it's weird, I didn't get any like cards. I didn't get the tower, I didn't get, there's other elements I could get here that would feel that way to me. it's not a pointed chaos. It is a conflict. It's [00:45:00] more like a conflict of oppressive power, dealing with a certain level of other people's oppressive power or demands or wants, or this is how things should be And. The demand against. I think another group that's trying to pull away from that, and that's the conversation. I think the five D conversation with yourself is which group are you gonna be a part of, Which group are you the group that wants more, that's demanding more, bigger, better, more, or are even part of the group that's less?

Which is really healing, peaceful, and contracted. I think we're building a new society. 

Karen: That's what it feels like. It feels like a wonderful promise. it's still 

Michelle: in transition. none of this that I see at all towards the end of the year that is because I'm getting with the Six of Swords, which is really interesting.

This is my infinite world card that's only in this deck. Wow. That card is cool. [00:46:00] Isn't that cool? I actually love this deck. 

Robyn: Can we explain for those who are listening right now what that card looks like? 

Michelle: Yeah. So it is like a fetus inside a snake, which is an Ouroboros. which is the rebirth of humanity.

Robyn: Wow. Wow. That's a crazy card to underscore what we're ending the year with.

Michelle: So theme, right? Big theme that we're talking. This is a very personal, internal conversation that you need to decide what group you're a part of. Okay? You can fight out in the chaos. On one side, not even chaos, like I said, doesn't feel like it feels like the demand for more for bigger and more versus less and peace. 

Karen: Wow. Feels like we really going to need those first couple months of the year to go inward. 

Michelle: yeah, but I think that hermit, card is, I said, almost like driving, the visual that I, because I get visuals when I'm channeling, right? And the visual that I was [00:47:00] getting was like a group of people in the night getting on a boat and the hermit's the one driving the boat.

And the question is, do you trust the hermit? silent, it's not a conversation. It's silent. Do you want to get on the boat or not get on the boat? but you have to also agree that the hermit drives. 

Robyn: It feels like there's a lot of number one, really getting deep with who you are, what you believe in, where your power is.

And making choices like every day you have to make a choice. I think on a daily basis, you're making these choices to stand in your own personal power, which those themes came up at the end of 2024 so going into this 2025 and then having that throughout the year and seeing the evolution of where that choice will take you.

by the end of that year, leading on a much larger scale to a bigger rebirth in terms of on the level of our [00:48:00] society. But it's really that to your point, the year is about you making this choice for yourself, which will end up impacting so many other 

Michelle: people.

 And I think it's So interesting to me to get the tennis, all the tents, the tens boards, the 10 of cups, the 10 of Pentacles. Those are major milestones. So I guess if we're following a path individually, it's to let those be huge markers throughout the year.

Because I think the practice is the first part of the year is acceptance. Like that pain of acceptance that you're getting on the boat. That means we're leaving 

nothing: lots of 

Michelle: things behind then that second chapter is the 10 of cups being that acceptance of the happiness. I am happy with my own peace.

And that's where my abundance comes from. Not from anyone else, not from outside myself. That's it. It was just from that. That's the, again, like [00:49:00] the driver, of the movement. And then the 10 of Pentacles is when it shows up in your life, that it is that you have accomplished, or you are accomplishing that, how do you keep the 10 of Pentacles?

That's the hardest part. When you get to a place of peace. How do you keep it? You have to protect it, meaning that you can't allow other things to take it away. So what that really is saying is you have to say no to a lot of things and a lot of people and a lot of crazy. 

Robyn: And for those again, if you're listening and you listen to the series that we're doing to begin the new year, 

we're talking to Michelle using Tarot and the energy of Tarot. We're talking to Stevie using the energy of astrology and we're talking to Akashic b using the energy of numerology and the Akashic records and you are going to find Several of these themes repeated, Michelle, I can't wait to tell you a little bit offline, [00:50:00] because there were some key words in our other conversations that have been mirrored in this and everybody.

listening or watching, Michelle idea about any of these other conversations. And you all will, once you hear them, I think just like Karen and I, have the privilege getting to hear these first, it is 

Karen: Mind blowing. 

Robyn: It's mind blowing because it just, it validates the energy that you're tapping into that everyone's tapping into it, validates that even what you're talking about collectively and about this energy going forward, this is universal.

it feels undeniable to us when you hear it in this way, which is , we love using these resources in this way to showcase collectively. This is going to help us all prepare for next year. other point, too, is you can use these resources in your own life to build your own plan because.

You can [00:51:00] get very granular with who you are by having these experiences that are intentional just for you. These can be applied universally and for you as well. I just want to say that these are the ways that you can really transform your life and then for right now going forward, I know I personally feel so much more prepared.

And I have my own checklist of what to work with, and when I get triggered by certain things, this remembering of this is for me, and I'm going to stand in my power, and what do I actually believe in? And keep getting deep and investigate those layers. 

Michelle: and there's something towards the end here that still feels where the hermit goes to is very solo and then towards the end we get this three of pentacles, which is community. It's the right community, It's who you're finding. It's being able to say, no, what I really value is finding a spiritual community.

What I really value is finding a peaceful community. What I really am valuing is finding [00:52:00] people that resonate with this idea that these things matter to me beyond the other things that used to matter. And that, I think, is what slowly is magnetizing together that new world. Unbelievable. Thank you, Michelle.

This was great. this was not what I'm always blown away by the, even the way we started, 

Robyn: you're like, 

Michelle: this 

Robyn: is going to 

Michelle: be 

Robyn: light. 

nothing: I 

Michelle: know, It feels to me like it doesn't feel heavy. It feels quiet. You know what I'm saying? Like the idea of a ship of people in the night leaving is not loud, It's we're quietly pulling away, and that is, not that's not monumental, but it is not done overtly, that's how it feels to me. 

Karen: I can't wait for you to hear, and we'll do c 

Michelle: Great. I can't wait.

Robyn: wait. 

Karen: And 

Robyn: if you'd like to work with Michelle, we highly recommend that you do. And you can email her at M [00:53:00] T Nolan N O L A N. com or visit the seeking center. com and click on guides. Thank you, Michelle. Thank you, Robyn. Thank you, Karen.