Seeking Center: The Podcast
Hosts Robyn Miller Brecker and Karen Loenser are doing the research, having the conversations and weeding through the spiritual + holistic clutter for you. They'll be boiling it down to what you need to know now. They are all about total wellness, which means building a healthy life on a physical, mental, and spiritual level.
They'll be talking to the trailblazers who will introduce you to the practices, products, and experiences that may be just what you need to hear about to transform your life.
So meet the mediums, the shamans, the wellness experts and astrologers…bring in the sage, the psychedelics, the intentions and the latest green juice. Robyn and Karen will “seekify” your journey with quick, magical soulful nuggets to nourish your own seeking adventure.
Think of this as your seeking center and your place to seek your center. Get ready to sample, dabble, and savor with them each week.
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Seeking Center: The Podcast
Unleash Your Inner Power: Tools for Radical Transformation - Episode 139
We all need that person in our lives who can deliver the truth in a way that resonates and drives real change. Enter Jess Leone—your no B.S. bestie and personal hype woman!
Jess is all about “challenging the norm.” She encourages you to question and redefine societal expectations on your path to self-discovery and well-being. With a knack for listening deeply and offering tailored support, she knows that true success isn’t a solo journey but one made richer by meaningful connections and a solid support network. Jess is passionate about creating spaces where women can feel seen, empowered, and celebrated—like a powerful current that binds us all together.
Karen and I have both worked with Jess, and let’s just say, WOW. She taps into her intuition to hone in on what your soul needs most, using a mix of proven techniques, like emotion code and EFT (tapping), to help you release what’s holding you back. Then, she gives you the practical tools you need to elevate your life.
Jess is the friend who listens deeply, holds you accountable, and inspires you to show up in ways you never thought possible—with laughter, radical authenticity, and maybe a few well-placed f-bombs along the way!
We can’t wait for you to get to know her.
MORE FROM THIS EPISODE
- Visit www.yournobsbestie.com to find out more about working with Jess Leone.
- Check out the Soundboard Community with Jess Leone on Facebook
- Listen to Hot Take on Healing with Jess Leone
BOOKS MENTIONED
- The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks
- Women Who Run with Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estés
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Robyn: [00:00:00] I'm Robyn Miller Brecker and I'm Karen Loenser. Welcome to Seeking Center, the podcast. Join us each week as we have the conversations and we, through the spiritual and holistic clutter for you, we'll boil it down to what you need to know now, we're all about total wellness, which to us needs building a healthy life.
Karen: On a physical, mental, and spiritual level, we'll talk to the trailblazers who'll introduce you to the practices, products, and experiences that may be just what you need to hear about to transform your life. If you're listening to this, it's no accident. Think of this as your seeking center and your place to seek your center.
Robyn: And for the best wellness and spiritual practitioners, experts, products, experiences, and inspo, visit theseekingcenter. com. We all need that person in our lives who can deliver the truth in a way that resonates and drives real change. Enter Jess Leone, your no BS bestie and personal hype woman. Jess is all about changing the norm. She encourages you to question [00:01:00] and redefine societal expectations on your path to self discovery and well being.
With a knack for listening deeply and offering tailored support, She knows that true success isn't a solo journey, but one made richer by meaningful connections and a solid support network. Jess is passionate about creating spaces where women can feel seen, empowered, and celebrated, like a powerful current that binds us all together.
Karen and I have both worked with Jess, and let's just say, wow. She tapped into her intuition to hone in on what your soul needs most. Using a mix of proven techniques like emotion code and EFT also called tapping to help you release what's holding you back.
Then she gives you the practical tools you need to elevate your life. Jess is the friend who listens deeply, holds you accountable, and inspires you to show up in ways you never thought possible. With laughter, radical authenticity, and maybe a few well paced F bombs along the way. We can't wait for you to get to know her.
Let's get going. Hi, [00:02:00] Jess.
Karen: Hello. How are you? We're already laughing and we started talking yet. That's what you bring out in us. I love it.
Robyn: Thank you. That's awesome. It's so true. We were just talking and revisiting our recent sessions with you and holy moly which is why we're talking.
There's so much to discuss today and you bring so much. To our lives. And so you use your own journey to lift women up. So let's start with your journey.
Jess: So whenever I get asked this question, it's four and a half years now, at least into this journey of entrepreneurship and True personal development in ways that I have not experienced before. And so how you sum it up is I was tired of how I was feeling. I was tired of my day to day life. And I really was like, I have to make a change.
at the time before this all came to be, I was an EMT. I got hurt on the road and decided to [00:03:00] still stay in that field because I thought I needed that camaraderie, that community, because I didn't have that. And so I felt like it was a career I had to do, emergency medical services. And so I transitioned into 911 dispatching, hated it, was terrible at it.
And I finally hit my point. And I remember it was Halloween. In 2020, in the middle of the pandemic, and I looked at my husband before that shift, and I was like, I can't do this anymore. And I just needed that permission slip. And he was like, we'll figure it out. you need to quit. So I put my two weeks in that day. And they were like, you don't have to come back. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. We know you're uncomfortable. You, we know you're struggling. And they had tried and I was like, this is just not for me. This is the wrong side of the radio. And I grew up in chaos, so I really thrived in it.
So if you're telling me we're going to a cardiac arrest, like I'm in the ambulance, ready to go, like I can anticipate that being behind the scenes in that way was just not for me. And [00:04:00] so at the time, and. And I still do. I was really struggling with fibromyalgia and my quality of life it was dwindling.
On top of that, I had just lost my soul dog. She got hit by a car in August of 2020. And it was the absolute worst day of my life. And in the middle of the pandemic it was such a hard time and I was just looking for community.
And so I went and what anybody did at that time, which was hit the internet and see what's out there. I couldn't find anything. And so I created it and fast forward, four years later, It's come to be a community the online space has about 1200 members. I have an online space in an in person community, and it's just been the craziest ride of my life because I never intended to start a business from this pain and this trauma that I've endured.
And like you had mentioned, it's just. When people ask what I do or how I got here, it's I just take the journey and I share it in hopes that it helps other people. And that's the easiest and simplest way to put it.
Karen: What kind of community were you looking [00:05:00] for?
Jess: Grief support. And I've lost people before when I was a kid, but it was different. This was like my first real loss In a really big way. And so I guess I was looking for someone or somebody, some place to hold space in this space. agonizing grief that I was in. And also my spiritual reawakening happened at that same time too, because she had come to me in a dream and told me why she made the choice that she did, why and how everything came to be.
And so it really inspired me to go, okay, let's see. There's got to be other people out there that are struggling with this. this was your dog that came
Robyn: to you. Yeah.
Karen: Wow. So your dog was really your spirit animal and guide angel on the other side to understand the grief and what to do next.
So it was almost a trigger for you. It was.
Jess: And that's what we see. And they've studied this to the high heavens of like, when people change is when something really bad
happens . There's a direct correlation and so if [00:06:00] everything is status quo, there's not really much to see that maybe you need to change unless you feel stagnant.
And even then. We don't necessarily do anything to change. And so when you've hit your rock bottom on top of leaving like a very good career, really good on paper, really struggling with my mental, physical health. And then my dog, it was this catalyst that was like, wake up.
You have to wake up.
Karen: you said it so well, you had so much trauma in your early life. And then you continue to follow the trauma with your work life. And. What you said before, you were on the wrong side of the radio. It was like you needed your little dog friend to really wake you up to say, this is not where you need to be.
You need to be on the side where you can really help on the healing side versus being in the middle of the trauma and the drama side. Yeah.
Robyn: And when your dog did come to you, had you had experiences at all like that? where did the trusting that and the intuitive part come into play?
So I,
Jess: from a young age, was super in tune with things but the [00:07:00] way it presented to me was very unsafe. It was very frightening. And because of that experience growing up and not being validated and not having anybody understand what I was experiencing, shut it all down. And so when this dream came in and It's one of those things that was like, I was able to trust it again because I trusted her so much.
And so why else would she come to me? Why else would she tell me these things? Why else would this feel like on a deep level? , I know this is Coco. I know this is her speaking to me. I don't even know how this is, but it was very weird. I was a little unsure at first.
I started buying books and, going to metaphysical shops. And I just followed the breadcrumbs and met really incredible people that helped support me in the grief that I was meeting, but also in this spiritual reawakening. And so it's been a ride. It's been Very challenging in so many ways, but so grateful that I have the right people on the ride, because that matters having the right [00:08:00] people who can support you if nothing else, if they don't have an answer, at least to support you in finding the answer that you need makes a world of difference.
Karen: So you were online really looking for your community, not finding it and you said you decided , to make it your own you decided to lead that. What did that look like for you and how did you approach it?
Jess: Yeah. So I do remember there was this one defining moment that night when I quit my job.
And under the full moon, it was a full moon too. you can't make this shit up. Like sobbing. I still have the video because I recorded it. Cause I was like, I have a feeling I'm going to want to watch this one day. And I remember coming home, parking in our complex and literally dropping to the ground and being like, okay, I get it now.
The pain is the medicine. I understand now. there's gotta be other people who are on this journey. I'm hurting, I'm grieving, , where are my people? And , again, I just followed these little breadcrumbs. And so at the time was in a group coaching environment to try to start figuring out what was my next [00:09:00] steps.
And someone encouraged me to start a Facebook group because I was always providing advice and providing a space that people could just soundboard off of me. And I was like, okay, I'll start a group. And I remember going live in my group to myself because I was like, I'm not inviting anybody into this.
And I swear to God, I would go live and I'd start to talk and I'd be like, Oh, and I would stop the recording. I delete it. And then I would start it again. And I would try to get comfortable on camera. Cause this was like very, it was very weird. And in this group that I was in with these other women, they were like, Oh, I'm in this group over here.
And people go live you can go live for a half hour. You could start to build your business, build your community, whatever. And so again, follow the breadcrumb. And I was like, what would I do? What would I talk about? And everybody was like, Jess, you pull cards, you read for people.
You're really good at communicating. just pull some cards. So I was like, okay, again, just like blindly following the breadcrumbs and I know somebody or something higher self was like, we got this. And [00:10:00] so I remember my first live, there were 250 women who just showed up to this live and I time I had short blue hair.
I looked very different than the people in this group. And so I think I caught people's attention initially and I built the community on this. First set of people that followed me into my group and they're still with me till this day and it was just weird.
And then I just started, I was just like, this is what I'm going through. This is the and I just shared my journey, just started like almost using it as an online journal. And people were like, wow, I'm also feeling that way. Wow. I'm also, and so there's been so many iterations of this space.
I've had it for a little over four years now. And I've been recently trying to bridge the gap between the online and the in person space. And I'm just so grateful. It's the one thing that has stayed in all of the changes of my life in the last four years. It is the one thing that has remained a constant and a steady and it's so beautiful because we all really do have each other's back and it's Hey, looking for support in this we all pull for each other and that's what is so unique and [00:11:00] so special about it. It's not just another Facebook group. And for me, like I really try to provide value because it's not about, yes, I'm sharing my journey, but it's always about how can this help you?
It's just a whole space for them to be a soundboard. That's the name of the community is the sound. And you also
Karen: give people permission to be authentic too.
many people are afraid to share that. on the Facebook group, can you just give me an example? What do you talk about? Is it always different? Is it. Just people bring their experience to it. How does it work?
Jess: So right now it is a space that I'm going to be connecting to the podcast that I'm launching on 11. 11 because angel numbers. so the podcast I'm starting is called Hot takes on healing and it's that more unconventional way of how do we talk about personal development? How do we talk about getting back in touch with our bodies?
How do we talk about things in ways that maybe you're not hearing in other conventional clinical spaces? And so the Facebook group right now is going to be a bridge for that to continue those conversations from the podcast there But like on Saturday, I posted what's the best piece of [00:12:00] advice you've ever been given?
Today, we talked through the best pieces of advice that people dropped in the comments and then how to apply it to their life now and how that can look and how they can show up and start building it. Being and applying that advice. And so I try to keep them a little short, a little digestible pieces. And I do a mindful Monday call every Monday
And then I share anything. I'm posting on Tik TOK, posting on Instagram. A lot of my content is inspired by conversations that I'm having with other women. And if they're having them with me, they're having with other people. That means somebody in the group needs to hear what it is that we're talking about.
And so it's just an extension of. the conversations that I'm having. So , it does change. It's a changing conversation and it's a space for people to come and be like, Hey, I'm struggling with this. Do you have any idea? Do you have, can you provide support in this way? Guidance, whatever.
And it's really beautiful in that way.
Robyn: I'm
Jess: sure a lot of
Robyn: people have probably become good friends
Jess: through it. Yeah. it's weird how I don't know if this has happened to you, but it's such an interesting thing every time it happens. Some of my best friends I met on Facebook and we have no [00:13:00] idea who added who, how the hell it even happened and how we've connected.
And so I have had friends bring friends into the group. And then all of a sudden we're like on a zoom call one day. And I see two women are connecting over similar things and then we're like, oh wait, you guys are in the same state. Oh, wait. Now you guys are hanging out in person.
That is like the coolest, like that shit lights me up. I don't know how this has come to be. I have no idea, but this is so freaking good. It's like the power of, technology has, we've talked a little bit about this in other conversations, technology has its downs, but it also has its ups too.
It does. Agree. the power of what Facebook has created in my life and the 1, 200 other people that are in the group. And then, of course, the community outside of that too, the in person community I have here in Connecticut. it is wild. Absolutely crazy to me.
Karen: Thank you for finally saying something positive about social media.
Robyn: so true. Yeah. Technology and social media for good. And then when you talked about [00:14:00] pulling cards and we're going to talk a little bit about your Jess. I know it's hard to say. We're going to talk about your gestion. But when you talk about pulling cards and that was a way in for you to even the birth of this group was started from that.
How did you even get confident about what you were receiving in terms of. through the cards being a resource and a tool. So how did that even work? It took
Jess: a lot of getting comfortable with being wrong I think we put a lot of pressure on ourselves to, if we're delivering a service we're supposed to show up and provide said service.
and I would get in my head sometimes about making sure I provided the value. That I would lose my connection with Gus, God, universe, or spirit. wait. Now you brought it up. I know. I feel like I can't just drop that bomb and move on. So I was on retreat back in March and one of the retreat leaders referred to the universe as Gus.
I believe she said God, [00:15:00] universe, spirit. G U S. And I said, can I borrow that and add an extra S? She said, absolutely. So for me, it's God, universe, source, spirit. because it's all encompassing. And I think, especially with, I don't know a person in my life who doesn't have some form of religious trauma.
And so when you say the word God, that can be super triggering for people. And like to tell people interchange it as you feel comfortable. I like Gus, cause it's all encompassing for everybody and it feels really good for me. as far as reading for people, I found if I just let it happen and I didn't think about it, that's when I was the most aligned and the most connected.
And, like I said, we have a tendency of getting caught up and screwing it up or something is wrong and I am, Learning to understand that when we read for people and so I have a friend who passed on his name is Michael and I try to share Michael everywhere I go because he just had a light and he has been the coolest guide I ever had now that he is on the other side.
And [00:16:00] sometimes things will drop in my brain and I'm like, Michael, what the hell what do I do with this what does this even mean. And so he's I can't tell you all the secrets of the universe, but here's what I can tell you when you're reading for people you're picking up on the timelines that are the closest and most accessible to them at the time.
So when you feel like you're reading to somebody and you're picking up on something you're like, I don't even know where this came from. It's Oh, there's something that could be brewing over here. There's something that could be happening over here. That's not in their awareness yet. So when they're like, Oh, that doesn't resonate.
because it's not what's the closest to them right now. That makes sense. Yeah. And so we are constantly creating a reality and there are so many things and so many timelines that exist all at the same time. And so It can be a challenge and when you start reading I want you to think about, I always tell people, just think about something on your mind right now that , you want to navigate, something bothering you, or maybe something really good, or maybe, whatever it is, it doesn't matter, I'm just going to pull some cards and see what comes up.
I always try to focus people on the here and the [00:17:00] now, because what happens in six months, truthfully, is none of your fucking business. truthfully, and say that the nicest way possible, because we have actually no idea what's going to happen in six months.
. What's your business is what's going on right now. And how you're showing up right now, how it's affecting you being able to even think about and plan for six months to a year from now, if you're trying to manifest something, it's like, How alignment are you with the thing you're asking for?
Because if you have feelings of unworthiness, feelings of self doubt and imposter syndrome, and you don't know how to keep boundary, like there's all of this stuff that plays into the bigger scheme of what's going to happen to us. stop worrying about the future. Worry about what's happening right now, because we can't control.
What's already is done. We don't know what's to be, we can only focus on what we're doing now to then create. Plant seeds for what it is we're building in the future. So I know I went off on a tangent from you asking me about readings, but that's how I feel about it.
Karen: It's super smart because I think people are still learning that, they're still learning the fact that the present moment is the only thing that you can control, but it [00:18:00] does impact your compass on where you're heading.
And the more you can get right where you're going and I think it's really important to level set, in a way with people when they come to you.
Robyn: And I was going to say that also, people ask you for what's going to happen in six months. It's because they may be trying to skip facing whatever it is that's going on right now.
And we've actually talked about the only way out is through Karen is always saying that, you have to address it. It's much easier to do that than you think it is, even though it sounds scary, which actually leads me to ask you what you feel the difference is between fear and discomfort.
Jess: To anybody listening, I would ask you first. Are you in your body or not
at the
Jess: moment when you're trying to determine that because I have found that I have made a lot of decisions Out of fear because it was new and it wasn't actually a fear I needed to be afraid of But it triggered the same response And so it's okay.
Let's think about if it's something [00:19:00] new, right? Like I very quick story. I was driving the other day and I started to think about what my life could look like. And I started to actually dream about the things that I hope to bring into my reality. And I started to feel this bubbling up like discomfort and I'm going whole body.
That doesn't feel like you should be feeling this right now. What's going on? why are you feeling this way? Yeah. I was driving to my old complex that I just told you about earlier to go pick up something that got mailed there by accident and My old friend lives there that I don't talk to anymore.
And so subconsciously my body was getting ready to possibly go run into somebody that I had a falling out with while I'm Manifesting in my brain all these beautiful things my body was like, that's cute are you not afraid of what's gonna happen once you get there? but I had to stop and it was the recognition It was a really cool moment because i've been working so hard to get my body on board for the decisions that i'm making literally all I had to ask was, what is fearful about [00:20:00] manifesting something that's beautiful for your future?
And it was like, we're not worried about that. We're worried about this. I got the answer immediately. And if you're not in your body, you may just be running on old programming that says this is scary. And it's new. So I don't know. And that's. Also normal as humans our brains are programmed to keep us safe.
So anything new that jives with that is like, Oh, hold on. And so it's having these conscious conversations and having radical responsibility for our thoughts and everything that comes into our brain and going, Oh, wait a minute. these things don't match. I'm excited. Excitement is not what I'm feeling in my body.
So it was the recognition of taking the five minutes. Have a conversation. Think about, okay, I'm feeling sad because I miss my friend. I let myself cry, and then I got back into the energy of thinking about what I was thinking about again.
And then I started to feel excited. And it was like, you have to just pull up a chair for your body, the things that it's feeling. , I know that's a long winded way of saying, ask the question to your body first. You need to find out, are you in your body first?
Then you can determine [00:21:00] how to answer that question.
Karen: And what I got out of that too, Jess is like the discomfort's almost like at least You're in your body, right? You're in the present if you're uncomfortable, but if you're in fear, you're projecting into the future, which is back to what you were saying before is like you can't really can control that.
So if you can stop yourself and say, okay, let me be uncomfortable. Let me feel the discomfort of what this is bringing to me and what I need to know about it, but not let me go into the future and I really don't know where I'm going to be anyway.
Jess: There's no point. Disconnecting from the outcome literally saved my mental health
because
Jess: I put so much pressure on myself these last four years.
To get myself out of this financial predicament I'm in because I'm self funding my I'm a business I was like, okay, let's go back to waitressing or let's go make some money I got into waitressing again, it was like a weird little breadcrumb I would have never done.
And ego in my ego was like, I'm not going to work for anybody else. I'm going to make this work. I can do this chip on my shoulder. And then I started waitressing. [00:22:00] And then it was like, okay, I have the money now to not worry about what I'm creating and putting out in the universe. Cause I was creating from the space of, I need, because I need to pay my bills.
Now I don't need to pay my bills with my business right now, I'm still being able to grow. And so I can create from a space of alignment and it's been so rewarding and so refreshing for my mental health to just be like, I'm going to put this out in the universe. If it doesn't also great.
Cause that means it wasn't for me. That's
Karen: it. It's that easy,
never forget the first conversation we'd ever had. And I remember saying to Robyn You exuded this energetic resonance that was just very calm in the moment, accepting, not feeling like you had to control your destiny. And you actually said to us, whatever happens, if it happens, it's great.
If it doesn't happen, that's fine too. And I was like, gosh, we all need more of that. Yeah. Because that is how manifestation happens because you put good out there, but you don't attach yourself to the other.
Jess: No, you can't. [00:23:00] So good. You'll just run yourself into the ground.
Robyn: And that also leads to talking about language reframing, which is another thing that you are really good at.
And you talk about that a lot and we so agree Let's talk about what does that mean? What is language reframing? So important.
Jess: your perspective matters, There's this tick tock trend going around right now that says, this is why perspective matters. And she's I'm 30 years old and living at home.
I'm at a job. I don't like and she goes on, she goes, I'm in my thirties and I'm a thriving. I get to save money. I'm at home. I don't have to spend money on a house. I don't have to work. And it's like that absolutely. and it's just, she's saying the same thing. Yeah. In a different way.
And I was finding just talking to people cause we're all mirrors for each other. I hear these women, especially in like with my clients, they would say some if I don't do this, then I'm a failure.
And I'm like, pause. On my computer and I'm like, this is the definition of failure, and it [00:24:00] means this Webster's dictionary and they're like, Oh, that's harsh, actually, I don't know if I like that energy So why don't we find another word.
Instead of I failed at this to say I I was taught something. And I didn't think that I was going to be taught in this experience. Instead of I failed at, yeah, I failed at my first two businesses. I had a lot happened. I had a close two businesses but man, thank God that happened because it was such a learning experience.
It's what I needed. And it's, you can get so caught up in I hear it a lot. I'm so afraid if I don't get there at this time, what happens if cause I have a friend that does this. And I'm like, you realize you're saying I'm scared and I'm afraid in front of almost everything you just said.
How is the body hears you? That's right. Your body is here. And so our body is just responding to us. So when people are like, my body hates me. That's another one. I hate. I'm like skirt. We're going to park that [00:25:00] car right there. Get out. And we're never saying that again. Ever. Because that is not what's happening. Your body is responding to you. And Newsflash, I also used to say that when I was really in the thick of fibromyalgia. And it's no. Your body loves you. It wants to take care of you. And this is the alarm systems that are going off that you don't like and you think your body's fighting you.
Your body doesn't hate you. . Just don't ever say that again. It's
Robyn: It is true. I was telling you that something happened this weekend, and I actually was yuking my brains out, and I said, thank God for my body, because it was protecting me from Whatever was not supposed to be in there anymore.
It wanted out. But it's it's even the littlest things, it's really looking, being able to look at yourself in the mirror and say, I love you. You're doing this. You're strong. You're, you're all those things. Rather than, and honestly, Karen and I talk about this and have for years because we're not taught.
That our [00:26:00] language actually can impact your everything. literally your everything, because it's your body, it's your energy, it's all that. And so it's this to me is such an important and easy thing for people to start to recognize how they talk to themselves, so how do they talk to themselves and others?
And are you catching yourself always saying things like, I'm scared? because that is a huge red flag.
Karen: Yeah, I know so many people are sick of the law of attraction thing, but all that means is that's what you're claiming for yourself, you're saying that is your reality.
So that's what your brain and your subconscious actually Believes when we had our session, I had so much fun because I hadn't met anybody in a while who did emotion code work. And so for those of you who don't know what it is, don't be afraid. It's nothing scary, but it's really a cool way of, again, discerning how memories experiences are in your body.
And often they're so deep. We don't even remember in my case, you brought some things up that I totally forgot [00:27:00] about. So can you explain what emotion code technique is and how that works with muscle testing, which also might be a new concept for people.
Jess: so, you can go and take this course, you can go read a book about emotion code and pay 20 bucks and literally teach yourself how to do it, it's that easy to do.
But there's something a little different about. Getting out of your own way. Cause that's had some people come to me. They're like, I know how this works, but I can't do it on myself. And I don't know why. And it's yeah, because we tend to get in our own way. And so emotion code accesses trapped emotions in the body.
And so, where you may go to talk therapy and sit on the couch for 20 years and not feel better or only process it in let's say you're. Mental body, you have an emotional body of a spiritual body of a physical body. Your physical body is the last place that pain goes when we're talking about emotional trauma.
And if you're alive, you have trauma. So we've all had something happen to us, And it almost, if you think of it when it happens to [00:28:00] use the analogy now of Inside Out, the emotion movie, the Pixar movie. I think, when Riley creates a core memory or a memory of any, it like comes into her brain as like this little, whatever.
And so it's like that. if you think about it being like a ball of energy, if it's heavy, it's going to get trapped. So if you have instability in your body, meaning say you rolled your ankle a ton when you were a kid and you got into a car accident and you have a back injury.
If you have some kind of emotional pain because you already have an instability there, that's where the pain is going to go. Sometimes when a lot of people come to me for is I have this random pain that I don't know why I have, or, I have one client who had an ovarian cyst for years and she had no reason why she came to me for one session, went back to the doctor and the thing is gone.
I couldn't tell you how it worked on some kind of scientific level, other than. What we're doing is identifying based on so we've mentioned muscle testing. think of [00:29:00] your body almost like if you have a pendulum at home when you play with a pendulum and it says yes or no, right?
Like your body is a pen think of it that way is your body's energy. So the simplest way that I teach people how to muscle test within themselves is just stand up and this is what they teach us in emotion code is if you repel toward something that means you It's a good thing.
It's a yes. It's a, I need this. It's a good feeling. Do you start to lean backwards or fall back? You're repelling something. So the easiest way you can start is you stand up and say, my name is Jess. I hope to God that you start to fall forward if your name is Jess, right?
Cause if you're not in your body, it's okay. Cause you may need to ask your body. Show me yes. And show me no first. Cause maybe your no is forward. So I should say that, but that's the simplest and easiest way for me to explain what muscle testing is. It's just a way that your body responding to you.
and so when I come in and I meet a client, I go, Hey, can I enter your energy? always need permission of can I enter into your energy field? Can I access [00:30:00] your pendulum, your inner pendulum. And energy is bouncing off of us all day and all the ways, when somebody is looking at you, right?
You just feel and turn around. Someone's looking at you and they look away kind of thing. You walk into a room and it's a weird vibe. That's a thing. Somebody's got an attitude. Their energy is off. You feel it. All I'm connecting with is with your energy.
And so we're doing it all the time. Anyway, that's why a lot of us refer to ourselves as empaths, because we can feel people's energy. And so it's the same deal. It's, Hey, let's talk to your body. Let's have a conversation and you can tell me the event if you so wish, or you don't have to. That's what I do like about this as well.
And there is a, like columns and rows. And so we muscle test certain columns in certain rows to identify an emotion. And the modality uses 60, six, zero emotions, because a lot of things mean the same thing. And it was developed by this chiropractor who was having clients come in and continuously every week, just cracking their back [00:31:00] because they had this back pain.
And they're like, there's gotta be something more here. And that's where he really started to do the research of, and this is how he built Dr. Bradley of understanding that people hold onto pain ways. So essentially all I'm doing is I'm asking your body for permission to fish around and see.
And so I don't pry any doors open. It's another thing about emotion code. If there's a door already open within you and something is ready to be let go of, your body is just going to just open it the rest of the way. pry open doors and we just see what's hanging out. Whether it's from childhood, whether it comes from your mom, your dad, if it's generational, if it happened to you when you were conceived, there's all these different ways that I muscle test and there's a whole bunch of, other backend things that I do to identify that stuff.
I don't consider myself a psychic, but I feel the most psychic when I do that work. Cause it's like. People are like, oh my God, like you, Karen, you're like, I haven't, my God, I haven't thought about that in years. I've had people go, I've never told anybody this. I don't even know how the hell you found that.
It was like, your body just said, here, take this. I don't want it.
Robyn: yeah. And then [00:32:00] you, do you help release that?
Jess: Yeah. But you really are driving the session, the jession. You drive. So I'm just here to give you the path, but I want you to drive. I want you to be able to release it. And so all we do is we send that unconditional love, send that light to that space.
If you practice emotion code, some people use a magnet and they'll run a magnet over the body like three times. And that's just not how I necessarily do things. And I get the same result. It can be a very intuitive practice. And So the goal is to teach you how to empower yourself to release it yourself, because once I see you and you're in a good place, like I want you to be able to use these tools from the toolbox now to be able to do it in the future.
I don't want you to come back. I just would love to be in your life and know that you're doing well. It's really cool. It's a really beautiful modality for sure.
Karen: It's another one too that I feel like you're getting the message that you need at the time. So whatever part of your body that you may see at that moment, I feel is message that person needs to know right now.
I know yours was very [00:33:00] on point for me for right now. not like you're, looking for disease or anything crazy like that. It's really just where your body is holding a story. That it really wants you to remember and release.
Jess: Yeah,
it's exactly that.
Robyn: And I would say too, what was interesting about my experience with Jess and Emotion Code, and in general, I had prepped a bit before we met and I had certain intentions that I wanted to And I'd say a majority of it had to do with seeking center and career and so forth. But I did have a couple of other more personal things on there.
And it was the more personal things that ended up taking up a majority. Now everything got covered. I will say, and Jess had no idea what my intentions were at all prior. And it was unbelievable because. I would say, about half the session was about Seeking Center and so forth, but that other half, there was a really good chunk of things that I clearly needed to [00:34:00] address and release.
And it's the harder stuff, I would say, because it is the stuff that I, felt like I've dealt with so much already, but there's always more people.
Jess: There's layers to this shit. There really is. And our conscious and our subconscious are two different things.
And so we can come in with an intention and that's great. And beautiful. But your body will go, that's cute. We're going to go here. Yeah. And I always tell people come with an intention, but not an expectation.
Robyn: Oh, that's good.
Jess: Yeah. It's probably not what you think it's going to be.
And I'm never going to tell you what you want to hear. I'm going to tell you what you need to hear. So either you love me or you hate me because I don't play around because I feel really passionately about, I want people to feel good in their bodies and in this human experience, because this is the only time you have as Robyn, this is the only time you have as Karen, this is the only time I have as Jess.
We're likely going to do this again. but right now we're in a really incredible time. We're talking a little bit about [00:35:00] technology, we are being bombarded. By technology, by stimulus that didn't even exist years ago. So it's why we're overstimulated. It's why we're anxious.
It's why we're depressed. And so it's finding ways to sift out and work through some of that. So we're not so affected and bogged down by it, but. From what I hear there are souls on waiting lists trying to get into this lifetime and I'm like, why the hell was I like, sure, tap me in let's go to the shit show.
Let's go. And so it's one of those things. And so makes me appreciate my time here a lot more because there was a time that like I didn't want to be. And so I'm really grateful that. I decided to stay here and to stay in this body I get pain. I don't even know how I crawled my way out and really I do actually it was love that saved me It was my husband and he was my boyfriend at the time and Coco we've all had really shitty things happen to us and maybe you grew up and you know maybe didn't have necessarily anything happen to you and sometimes I say to people It can be the absence of not having something.
So [00:36:00] what I mean by like mom and dad were great, but dad was never around because he worked so much. That's still an absence of something may not be something bad, but you still missed something. And so that can create a traumatic experience within you without you even realizing, you may not think, stereotypical, but the word trauma and I'm always trying to find new words to interchange things because it's so mainstream now everybody talks about it.
And but it's true we all have if you're alive, you have trauma that's it can't get around that.
Karen: I like you said it's that's the purpose. Not necessarily the purpose of being here, but it's the opportunity that we can weave our way through it and figure out why it's there.
And so often kept saying, it's there's so many things that are wedged in there. Yeah. I didn't even, I didn't even realize they're there. And then to have them bubble up like this, I am grateful because that points out something that I need to look at and release. It's all good. is.
Robyn: And that's the thing, again, for people listening, it's not scary. you've been there already. You actually know, , was worse when you were first in it. Let's just say that. However, it's still [00:37:00] there. And whatever it is. And that whatever that feeling was and whether that happened when you were a little kid or you were 18 or 25 or whatever it continues to replay in your life if you don't address it, if you continue to bury it, so when these things come up in sessions, like we're talking about with Jess, it's time for your new chapter, it's time to feel different because you don't even realize that little thing It's holding you back.
Karen: You don't. And your adult brain has a really good way of explaining it away and saying, Oh no, It's fine. I'm past that. I know what that was.
Jess: Yeah. And we can justify everything to death. And I think a lot of us try to justify our way out of our trauma.
Wow, this happened to me because he was. He grew up in a certain way, right? If it's like an abusive relationship, it's he was abused and he doesn't know, right? So you can justify it to your blue in the face. Were you ever fucking mad about it? Did you ever let yourself get angry about it?
No, because anger came to me In a way that [00:38:00] I couldn't process because it was always presented to me in a scary way that I didn't know how to show up and pull up a seat for my anger that I was feeling. And so we don't realize that these experiences we are holding on to something in some way. And when we're not here, we're not in this physical meat suit. We're just hanging out in the abyss of whatever the universe is. And we don't get to experience anything there other than just pure bliss, which is wonderful, but we don't get to laugh.
We don't get to cry. We don't get to grieve. We don't get to experience being in love. And that's why there are souls like , sign me up. I want to feel again. And so once I got that download and I started to really understand that, like to my homeboy, Michael, again, I shout him out because he showed me where he is.
He was like, this is it. This is where I am. Nothing exists here. It's everything, everywhere, all at once. Not like that movie, which is incredible. And he's you don't think about your past. You don't think about what you did wrong. You don't think about anything here. None of that exists. And while you're there go mess up.
Go have fun. [00:39:00] Go fall in love. get your heart broken. Grieve. Lose people. Do it all. That is the whole point
Robyn: Another energy technique that you use is called the emotion freedom technique, otherwise known as tapping. Yeah.
Can you just talk about what it is?
Jess: Yeah, so we have meridians in our body that mirror on both sides. And so when you are, doing the tapping, you can tap on one side because you're actually doing the same thing to the other, which is really cool things that you learn in this training.
And so it's just a way of opening up the energy If there's a block it's a way of just releasing the energy. And I do this literally every day. when I start to feel, and I was so resistant to it at first, which I feel like I should say, because it's actually super common that people feel resistant to it at first because it might piss you off.
And I had a practitioner that was like, we're going to tap on this. Start at the top of your head and you're going to repeat this statement. Even though I feel this, I deeply and completely accept myself. Even though I feel this, I deeply and completely, and you're tapping on the top of your head and you [00:40:00] go to your forehead.
Even though I feel this, then I'm like, okay, now I'm just effing that. Now I'm angry. Now I'm tapping the sides of my eyes. and then I go, all right, I'm done, , And she's like
Karen: saying that because just thank you for saying
Jess: that. I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say, if anybody's gonna say it, it's gonna be me.
And so the first few times, the first, she's I really think this would be great for you. I really, and I was just like. You don't know me. This isn't gonna work. So I had a little bit of that. And the point though is, you may start with an emotion, and then it's gonna move, and you may actually start to be pissed off.
Because again, we're showing and pulling up a seat for the other emotions that were not processed for it. So it's a really beautiful technique. The entire tapping series is the top of the head, the forehead the side of the eye, under the eye, under the nose, the chin, the collarbone, and then under the armpit.
And that's one set. So I teach people that, but I also, when I'm driving and I'm anxious, I literally will be driving and hugging myself as I'm driving. And for those of you who can't see what I'm doing, I'm literally [00:41:00] pretending like I have my hand on the steering wheel and I'm giving myself a hug.
And tapping underneath my armpit.
And
Jess: so I will do this if I'm feeling anxious and I'm just going to honor the anxiety your body will literally give you the route.
It made sense for me and I started to understand how my body wanted to receive The messages you will literally feel yourself just start to come down.
Like I said, I do this in the grocery store. don't think too much about it anymore. My friend was telling me once he was like, I was on the airplane and I saw this woman she's tapping all over and I was like, Oh yeah That's EFT. That's emotional free technique. It's a way of just moving anxiety. She was probably really anxious about flying. And he's yeah, she was, I talked to her after. And she said it's the only thing that she can do to keep herself calm in these situations. And so she literally did it for a six hour flight.
She just tapped the entire time. Wow. And it's what kept her body at bay the entire time she was on the flight. And so I just tell people, when I'm starting to feel something bubbling up and this is also a really great thing to use if you don't know what it is or why you just feel fearful. [00:42:00] You feel anxious and it like comes out of nowhere. , it's like the alarm, cause there's an alarm going off, right?
If your body is having a hard time, it's going to tell you, Hey, heads up, I'm not having a good time. And so you can go, okay. let's just try to turn the alarm off. And that's what the tapping does. It's just turns the alarm off. It doesn't need to solve every single problem you're having, but at least you can put things at ease in the moment, which is why I really like it. It's just something to do in the moment.
Karen: We like the tips and the simple thing to share those with people, even just to try themselves
Robyn: it works.
Karen: It forces you to be present, doesn't it? And I think the meridian points in the body, there's so much we don't know about how body actually works in stressful situation or in general, but Just to have these little tips and tricks of things we can try for ourselves we'll take
Jess: you might as well. I was introduced to it like four years ago. And I can't tell you how many times in social settings or the holidays are coming guys. So if you're around that one aunt or that one person that, maybe doesn't know how to honor your boundaries [00:43:00] and all the things, I've had to just step in the bathroom and just run myself through a round of tapping just to get the anxiety back down.
Robyn: So talking about utilizing something like this as a tool, how would you suggest someone can better trust their instincts?
so that they can navigate when something unexpected comes their way. You mentioned boundaries and the holidays and just in general that there are people who don't honor boundaries. First of all, let's talk about what that means. for people who don't really even understand what we're talking about when we talk boundaries.
What does that mean? And what are ways that people can start to trust how to speak to and even create boundaries?
Jess: Yeah, so I literally do a whole three hour workshop on boundaries. That's cool. Yeah. So to try to even sum this up right now is going to be very interesting. Boundaries are a form of self respect, so if you are not honoring that, you are not honoring your own self respect.
[00:44:00] That's the simplest way to say That piece. And so I try to look at boundaries, break it down in parts and make it a little more digestible because I think people think I have to say to them that I don't want this anymore, but then when I say that and I get all the courage to say that, then, Oh, the first time they asked me again, They didn't honor it, and now I'm saying yes again when I didn't want to be, and it's okay, but wait a minute. Think about why you're setting the boundary in the first place. Because I see this a lot, especially with women, I have these people pleasing tendencies. And I feel like I'm a bad person if I don't do this and And it's okay, you're a people please yourself. Why are you not the first one you're thinking about when you think about making decisions? And this all again, comes back to your body needs to be the first one to respond. It's as easy as.
Somebody asks you for something. And the way, if I know, I'm unsure because like you almost feel it. your body's giving you some kind of signal unless you really tuned out. I go, you know what? Lemme check my schedule. I'm not sure. Lemme [00:45:00] get back to you.
It's not a yes and it's not a no. You're not disappointing anyone, and it gives you a second to ask the person. That needs to answer first your, so we can really make it simple. I say you can practice this in one of two ways. You can practice with strangers because you don't owe them anything.
You don't know them. They don't know you. So when somebody asks you for something, Somebody asks you for a dollar on the street I'm sorry. No, I don't have it. Keep it moving. And the other end of the spectrum is. Practice this with people who really love you and honor you and don't need a boundary because they just respect you anyway.
And so practice on the people you love and love you and practice on people who don't know you because it doesn't matter. It's not going to affect their life at all. And the people who benefit from you not having boundaries are the ones you don't want in your life anyway. they're taking from you.
And so we don't need them anyway. So , just understanding at the end of the day that it's all about self respect, and you need to think about why the boundary needs to be [00:46:00] set, then you can set the boundary, and then you got to hold it, which is hard.
And so that's the hard part is when somebody comes back around and goes. Can you do this? And it's Hey, remember that conversation we had about this. I really need you to honor the fact that I can't show up and do that for you right now. And it could be just the other person recognizing and getting used to the boundary, or they just have no respect for you.
you're only going to lose the people. That don't benefit it's been a hard process for me to recognize that ah, I need to be, put your own mask on first, the teacher that me empty school.
It's, you can't help anybody if you cannot help yourself. What is the worthiness piece there? So boundaries is so much more than just a simple conversation. It's like Let's figure out why you really feel like you can't say no to someone. That's a bigger issue. It's such a big
Karen: topic. It's easier to let yourself down than somebody else. why do we do that? I'm in that situation so often where it's like, it's just easier to say yes, just get it done so that they're not [00:47:00] disappointed. And yet I'm giving some of my own self away. We all do it to some extent, I think it's also almost an expectation
Robyn: Yes. I think that's really true, especially let's say where it is in your quotes expected that you should act a certain way.
It should act a certain way. And when it no longer serves you, you have every right. To create these boundaries, and it's not that easy. We know that, we've all talked about it before. And sometimes holding that boundary, it can be done, though, and your life will change that is the point, Because when something is actually. Making you so unhappy and then you have to take responsibility and take care of yourself as you're saying
Karen: And it's a good opportunity even working with someone like you just is to understand like why am I doing
Why am I betraying myself? why do I need to be that people pleaser? What is it about that? What's in that little drawer that might be stuck away that I don't need anymore.
Jess: It's what do you get out of doing [00:48:00] everything for everyone? Because now you're taking the responsibility off of someone else to show up and do what they need to themselves as well.
experiencing our own journey. when you're doing for everybody, you're not giving some of the opportunity to really live out their piece of the journey and what they came I think understanding that you can be a good person.
There's a difference between being a good person and being a nice person. I feel like when you're nice, You have to go with the flow. You want to keep the peace. And it's or you can just be a good person. I feel like good people don't compromise their values. Good people walk away from situations that don't serve them.
Good people speak up for themselves and they don't allow themselves to be disrespected. There's a difference. And so you don't have anything to prove. And you are number one. And it doesn't mean being selfish.
And I speak more to the women we think that we're we're being a certain way and that we're supposed to be a nice girl and that we have to be seen, not heard. And there's all this programming that's conditioned into us that is far beyond what we've experienced in this lifetime.
It's so generational, so built in. And again, just really understanding that you got to let [00:49:00] somebody down to not let yourself down the only people getting upset about, having boundaries, the ones that benefit from you having them. And so it's not worth it at the end of the day.
And you're going to hit a point. trusting your intuition . If you were asking how do you start? It's by asking, why is that thought in my head? Why am I thinking that right now? Because just the mere fact that you can observe a thought means that you are not the thought and that it's separate from you.
How fucking freeing that was when I realized that. I was like, wow, okay. I don't have to agree with this thought. Just because this is a belief system that I built based on this trauma or this experience and I've recreated it in this self fulfilling prophecy, why does this always happen to me? it's one of those things. And , just start getting curious, about why. And really surprised to see what you find.
Karen: All good advice.
We want to talk a minute about your Jess sessions.
Say it right for us.
Jess: My friend did it. She's Jess, you don't do sessions, you do jessions, you do all of these things, you encompass all of this stuff. You do energy work, you do provide advice, you do coach. [00:50:00] You do all of these other things, but I don't even know what to call it.
Other than that, because it's not like your stereotypical what you think you're going to get when you go in for a coaching session or a Reiki session. It's I don't even know what it is you do. We just do it. I'm like, okay, we'll rename them
Robyn: then.
Karen: it's going to roll off of everybody's tongue when they get to know that.
Exactly. Absolutely.
Let's talk about your gestions. what they are and what someone can expect when they have a session with you. Because I think for me, what I remember saying to you, it's I've never had a session like this before.
It was really different.
Jess: These are not something that you can just do. It's like a one and done Oh, I need you to come fix me kind of deal. Cause you're not broken first of all, but also these things take time. So I want to set the intention of if you're booking a session with me, understand, you're probably going to come back.
A few more times after that. And so I did open up my virtual sessions. I did put those back on my website. You can come and see me at tea and Tarot in Madison, Connecticut, if you're local. If you're coming for a reading, that's one thing.
[00:51:00] Because those are more, we can get a lot done in 30 minutes. We can chat about stuff, and I just channel and do my thing, whatever. The jessions include the reading plus everything else I do, which is, Work, which is I'm gonna teach you ways to start to access this information in your body.
It's coaching it's a hype session. it's communicating with your body. It's talking to Gus and what you need to hear. it is so many things I don't even know, I guess that's the most high level way I can explain. It's a lot of different modalities. presented to you and what you need and may look different from the next person that gets something with me because it never looks the same.
I don't have a structure. It's this is what I got. Show up. I will provide you with what you need. But you have to show up. That's the thing.
Robyn: I know for me, I also left with some tangible to do's. As well. Yes. Oh yeah. I'm going to give you homework.
there was some homework, which going to benefit you energetically and in life.
Jess: In the long run. You're coming to work with me, [00:52:00] expect to work that word has some connotations around it, but understand that I'm not going to let you get away with.
Not, if you're showing up, like I'm showing up for you too. If you're coming up to bat, like I got you, and that's the thing about me and, where I get my name from is no bullshit bestie. Like I'm going to hold you accountable. And I'm also when you get your first hit and you're running the first, like I'm going to run next to you, and so Whatever you need, I can show up and provide for you, but like you have to show up first. And yeah, let's give you the tangible things to go home, to leave and work on and continue working on, because that's the whole point. this is not a one and done. This is not a fix. This is a lifelong process, healing, like you said, there's layers. You may think you're good and then you may hit something, you're like, where the hell did that come from?
It's if you have the tools, you can collapse time. You won't sit in that pain as long, And we're only supposed to experience an emotion for, I think, 30 or 60 seconds. I'm not sure. I heard Joe Dispenza say it once. And so anything after that, now you're creating a story.
And so how do we shorten that time? That's what I'm trying to learn and really do for myself. And so it's like, how can we [00:53:00] then, teach you and empower you to do that yourself? So You got to feel your feelings. Also have to understand this is happening for me, not to me. What can I learn from this? And that really does change everything.
Karen: And I just want to add to people are listening or watching that if you have experienced some modalities before , adding you to that is so helpful it's like you are the layer that goes deeper, in many cases, and.
you those places where, right now, and what your message is always so valid for the right now, if I'm feeling stuck and I don't know why, this is a good session to have because you bubble up those things. That you need to know right now to look At least that's how it was for me.
It was just, the messages that I received were so on point for right, where I am right now. And that was so helpful. Again, I'll probably need some more help. Actually working through those, but at least I know they're there.
Jess: Yeah that's the thing, it doesn't necessarily mean When you know better, you do better.
Cause they're actually [00:54:00] starting to find that's not necessarily true. But in my case, I have found that when I have the awareness and I do something off of An old trigger or old conditioning. I am finding now that I'm like really on this journey of really being in my body, it's like, ah, I did it again.
How do I do it better next time?
Karen: That's right. Yes, exactly. Cause what you found is something that started a lot, but you can find those little points where it cropped back up here it is again.
Robyn: Yeah, do you have one or two go to books that have inspired you or that you use daily weekly
Jess: basis.
. So the one that I just put away the big leap. The Big Leap was my actually even putting it into words because it was that transformative for me, was recognizing where I was operating out of my zone of excellence and operating out of my zone of genius.
Just because I do something well doesn't mean that it's my zone of genius. And that was the book that helped me decide where to continue putting my energy. And if it wasn't, if it felt good but [00:55:00] I necessarily wasn't jiving with it to do for the rest of my life, like you're probably living in your zone of excellence and not your zone of genius.
And so I don't even know how to sum that book up. It's just incredible. So there's that.
And
Women who run with the wolves. By Clarissa Kinkola, I don't know if I'm saying that right, Estes,. Oh, yeah. oh my God, I couldn't believe I didn't even think of that. All of these stories you hear growing up, like the ugly duckling and if you break down what it means, the whole meaning behind the ugly duckling it just, essentially, myths and stories of the wild woman archetype.
It's like, how have we been vilified? How have we been perceived? How have we been taken out of history, taken out of stories? it's been such an empowering book for me to recognize, how to return back to my body. Returning back to our wild. I love it because it just talks just, like when we're initiated and how, you're, might have this dream about a man [00:56:00] that visits you. this actually happened to me.
She's talking about in the book, how like she talks to all these women, how she knew how they knew they were stepping into their wild when strange man showed up in her dreams and left a package. And I had this dream. right prior to starting this book. And I was like, holy shit. I was being initiated into this next phase.
And I had no idea. it's incredible. So I just, I love learning about how I can return to my wild and how I returned back to myself. And because it's essentially what I want to be doing for other women. So I really resonate with the book.
Karen: Very in line
Robyn: with what we've talked about. And then for those who want to.
potentially soundboard community that open how does that work? If they want to check
Jess: that out? so that is not just a space for women because I am opening it up to Connect the podcast. The podcast is accessible to everybody, And if they want to join, it's just as easy as literally searching the soundboard community on Facebook in the groups area.
And you'll, you will find us. And it is on my website as well. You're no BS, bestie. com. Try to keep it easy for people and everything [00:57:00] is there. It's one stop shop to want to book a session. If you want it to enter a community, if you're local to Connecticut, And when I come to our in person events, so there's a lot there at that website.
So I would say check that out, but yep. Anybody can join. I have three questions. It's fairly easy to join. I don't need too much from you. , I'm really trying to grow and expand that space. So love that.
Robyn: Thank so much. For everything. For letting
Karen: us be part of your community. are such a refreshing and fun person, Jess. I just love the way you approach this work is really it's down to earth but it's so real and it's so representative of you and your authenticity. We're really grateful for that.
Jess: Thank you for having me. It's so cool to be in each other's orbit and to know each other and to see what you're building.
We need what you have. You've been ahead of the curve I already just see it, it being exactly what we need. and already being a space for so many people to get what they need. And so I'm really blessed to know you two and to learn about your community [00:58:00] and what you're doing for the world.
And so we need what you have. Thank you for creating something. And inviting me and everybody else into it because it's so special.
Aww. Thank
Jess: you.
Robyn: Thank you. We are so appreciative of those words and just of you and your soul and everything that you're doing and you following your path and being open and vulnerable and sharing the journey and learning along the way and giving back to all of us.
That is what this is about. And we know that Gus brought us together. There is no doubt. There is no doubt. I know when we all met, it's as if we were just being reconnected. And that's the beautiful part of what we are all doing is so deeply connected. Soul connected and meant to be. And
Karen: also acknowledge Heather from tea and tarot, who has been our podcast for, because she is truly a special person, trailblazer, empower of others, and [00:59:00] is also blazing her own trail, which we love seeing.
So were grateful for her. Yes. So my
Robyn: besties. Yes. So really go check out Jess and find out how you can work with her. At your no bs bestie. com. We'll have all of this in our show notes as well.