The Ultimate Talk Therapy: Bridging Mental Health with Spiritual Mediumship - Episode 85

What if you could talk to a licensed clinical social worker and an evidential medium at the same time? Well YOU CAN!!

Meet Kate Stacom who is a licensed clinical social worker, evidential medium and founder of Clinical Mediumship™, the practice of bridging mental health skills and mediumship to support life-changing healing and growth.

Kate combines her clinical skills with evidential mediumship to help others reduce barriers and live more soul-centered lives. By combining the spirit of intuitive sessions with the processing, safe space and evidence based clinical skills of traditional mental health.

She has seen her clients heal lifetimes of emotional, behavioral, and relational patterns, which has given them the freedom, clarity and confidence to live out their soul’s purpose. It is POWERFUL! We experienced a session with Kate and were blown away. If you have ever experienced a spiritual medium or intuitive session…and have experienced traditional therapy – you can imagine this being a  transformative combo!

We’re digging into how this all works  – and why you may want to consider Clinical Mediumship™ for yourself.

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Robyn: What if you could talk to a licensed clinical social worker and an evidential medium at the same time? You can meet Kate Stacom, who is a licensed clinical social worker, evidential medium and founder of clinical mediumship, the practice of [00:01:00] bridging mental health skills and mediumship to support life changing healing and growth.

Kate combines her clinical skills with evidential mediumship to help others reduce barriers and live more soul centered lives by combining the spirit of intuitive sessions with the processing safe space and evidence based clinical skills of traditional mental health.

she has seen her clients heal lifetimes of emotional behavioral and relational patterns, which has given them the freedom, clarity and confidence to live out their soul's purpose. It is powerful. Karen and I experienced a session with Kate and we were blown away. If you have ever experienced a spiritual medium or intuitive session and have experienced traditional therapy, you can imagine this being a transformative combo.

We're going to dig into how this all works and why you may want to consider clinical mediumship for yourself. Let's get going. Hi Kate. Hi Kate. Hi 

Kate: Robyn and Karen. It's so nice to be here. Thank you for having me on. 

Karen: Oh, we are so excited to have you [00:02:00] and I think for so many people listening this is a dream come true job that you have and the ability to bring in a team to really work one on one with people.

 So let's start at the very beginning and how you came into your mediumship abilities as a child. 

Kate: sure. I always like to say I really am your stereotypical born medium. I came into the world really feeling spirit.

I would hear spirit. I grew up in a, an old home that was really filled with a lot of energy and just being a shining light, being an open and tuned, person to the spirit world. There was a lot, to navigate. And I really can remember as early as age three and four hearing spirit and I would, be quite distressed by this.

I had absolutely no idea who was talking to me. I didn't really have, again, three or four didn't have any understanding of what this possibly could be. And for me, it was fearful. It was scary. And I remember, running into my [00:03:00] mom and dad's room, like somebody speaking to me and Although there were filled with love, there are very much like you were okay, you are safe.

Go back to your room. And I would just, pull the covers for my head and just hope. And I'm sure in those moments pray, right? think we all have that innate desire to feel connected to something greater than. And so I actually do remember getting some comfort. So I wasn't always feeling so alone, which was beautiful.

I'm sure my spirit team was there the whole time. And as I grew, I was always very eccentric and different. And this was so early on that I remember my mom saying, something's just different about Kate and , she was , finding random books, like on indigo children and like all of these quote unquote, different children.

And for my time, this was really early, for my mother to even have this concept. So I thank her so much for always trying to see. beyond diagnosis, Because I was in the school system. And again, people didn't quite understand this. I just knew things like I remember going up to even teachers and saying [00:04:00] things and questioning things.

And I'm sure they were, who is this person and what is she saying to me? And so I was diagnosed with ADHD and I, really hung on to that diagnosis. I was in and out of therapy, psychiatry of just trying to help me fit into this world, right? And it didn't always feel like a good fit.

I lost one of my primary caregivers, my, my maternal grandfather at the age of 12 very tragically. And this, I think for me, looking back was really one of the more. Eye opening. It was opening me to the spirit world. It was saying there has to be a way, right? There has to be something greater than just this because he can't not be here.

 He was really , I say he was like my security blanket and him in the physical really was my safety. And we had seen a medium even I think I was 13. So I was young and I remember just Instantly, and I have chills as I say this, instantly feeling him, instantly being able to know, holy mackerel, [00:05:00] he's here.

This is him. And just being able to feel that love, even then not registering, I was one, right? Even then saying this is incredible, but I can still feel him, I can feel him. And so I carried on through my life without understanding while still again, navigating the, neurodivergency in a neurotypical world.

Not quite understanding who I am in growing and learning, but the spirit world was always really much a part of me. would always sense the spirit world. It's just that I didn't really invite it in until much later in my life. And then you 

Robyn: then took a more traditional path and became a licensed clinical social worker.

What did that look like? And where did that wanting to connect with people in that way come from? And then see where 

Kate: you are now. Yes. It's such a fascinating story. And I love talking about this because I actually was going into theater and I was a very creative child, 

and I remember senior year, I was going through all the auditions and my mom said to me, Kate, you have to apply to [00:06:00] one liberal arts college. What happens if this doesn't work out? She was always thinking like greater than, and I'm like, that can't be true. I would never. And I had a split.

Second change of decision like all of a sudden was like, I need to not be going to theater. I need to help people. It was senior year decision time . I had done all of the work to audition and I went into liberal arts school and I said, I'm just going to help. . I need to help the world.

The world is hurting. And so it's the way that I saw theater of, helping myself, helping others shine and create stories and tell stories. It was just a different way of doing it, right? A more practical way in my mind of helping and healing. And so I went into psychology and did that traditional route, ended up getting my master's in social work.

And focusing really much so on the clinical world and I specialized in trauma and interpersonal violence and I am forever grateful for that education and I don't look back at any point in time for regretting [00:07:00] that. But one of the funniest things is I never wanted to be a therapist. I didn't like therapy as I said, my, my childhood was very much, why are you putting me in therapy?

I don't need therapy. And yet. Here I am going to school with a clinical focus. and so I did that for many years. I ended up opening my own private practice where I concentrated on working with adolescents who are. really not fitting into norms and wanting, to believe in something greater and work on, their own selves.

And so I saw a lot of anxiety. I saw a lot of trauma and depression, sadness. who am I, what am I doing here? And so those greater than questions. Led me in to I feel naturally blending my clinical skills with the more existential questions, But before this or after this as you see like the thread connect all of this, right?

All of our life's experiences. This is exactly what happens, Spirit leads us down this road and there's really no [00:08:00] mistakes. So it wasn't until I had my firstborn, my daughter, Claire, was diagnosed with a congenital anomaly at 36 weeks pregnant, and we were very much uncertain of her survival, and so our whole Really view of the pregnancy of what our life would look like with our daughter, really changed at 36 weeks and we had to, there's really nothing other than to surrender. So my husband and I were just planning and surrendering over and over again, There's that constant shift between I need to be logic.

based. I need to plan for safety and we need to surrender to what might not be what we thought it might be. , my daughter's very healthy and she's beautiful. And such a bright. Bright spirit. And around the time that she was one, and I was really starting to get out of that fight or flight, get out of the survival mode of she's okay now was when I started to just.

ask the bigger questions, reconnect with myself. Who am I in this world again? [00:09:00] Who am I in this world as a mother who's been through this? And that's when Spirit came forward tenfold. And , this was 2020. The pandemic had just started. I had shifted my therapy practice to telehealth. And, I was experiencing a migraine and knock on wood, since opening up to my gifts, that has been much better.

My migraines are far less, which is interesting. And I closed my eyes and my grandfather stepped forward like a movie reel. And I have chills again, because I will never forget this moment. And he was communicating to me. So this, telepathy. So he wasn't, his mouth wasn't moving, but I knew exactly what he was saying.

And it was love. It was love. It was comfort. It was his presence. And it's so interesting because looking back, I don't even remember feeling like I was. Going nuts. And it could have been because I always had that experience of oh there is something else, but it wasn't that feeling. It was very much wow, [00:10:00] this is awesome.

This is fantastic. And so my soul was ready. My soul was ready to step forward and to begin to use. Spirit right in session and it's funny it happened literally in between, it was not in my personal life. It wasn't on a weekend day , when I was doing meditations, it was literally within the time of work and using it.

So to me, looking back. That probably also was a symbol that they wanted me to use spirit within the therapy that didn't click until very recently of that timing was absolutely on purpose as to when spirit stepped forward. Can I just clarify 

Karen: something just to make sure I understand? So this was actually during a session that you were having with someone that your grandfather stepped forward.

Kate: So it was right in between so the in between of appointments when I have about 15 minutes to just settle and so I had closed my eyes, started to take deep breaths and that's when he came forward. And it's so interesting because I was able to just say, wow, okay, [00:11:00] I will be with you later.

 Talk about boundaries and then hop right back in like this is normal. This is totally normal. And anything 

Robyn: that came through from your grandfather at that time have to do with your next appointment at all? 

Kate: It didn't. That would have been insane.

I'm going to help you with this. That did start to unfold more so personally. And I think they know I am incredibly ethical and just that's something that also has always been hard for me is I'm, The daughter of an attorney and I'm just incredibly legal minded and ethical and I take pride in that.

And so I think probably spirit knew to we're not going to give her too much. . We're going to talk about things that's for her for now validation of, They're present. So I think he talked a lot about just things he would know that only he would know just to affirm that this is him even more.

And that's how we just started. 

Karen: Did you actually see him or we see him in your mind's eye? What was that 

Kate: experience? This was mine's eye. So I [00:12:00] had my eyes closed because I had such a strong migraine and I was resting and then he stepped forward. I do have experiences of objective clairvoyance.

So , I actually see people that is quite rare and my team, I do feel my Spirit team knows now because as a child, I would hear objectively. So it was literally as though someone was in there, like a human, a physical person was in the room with me. I think they know to take things a little slower and they did take things a little slower so that I really had to invite in the experience.

 Because I would have probably just ran the other way. This is too much. 

Karen: And then where did you take it from there then? did you get to the end of the day and say, Hey, grandfather, let's continue our conversation. 

Kate: Yes. And then every single day I would sit for 30 minutes and meditation and just write down every single thing they were telling me.

It was. so fun, And this is pandemic when we're like, what are we doing, right? There's nothing to do. And that it [00:13:00] was an opening for so much more. I just learned how to communicate with my guides. I learned to get messages for other loved ones, like other loved ones, family members were coming forward and saying hi and.

giving validations that they were here and they were more than ever present. it was a beautiful experience. And then did 

Robyn: you end up taking any courses or join any workshops? Of others that were also interested in. 

Kate: Yes. And it was very soon after, I will say that I was just ready, like it feels like I started to really fine tune things so quickly because it was just, I'm ready.

this is the time now. And so things unfolded and I am forever grateful because I could start the work earlier. I look back and I'm like, That was massively quick. That was very quick, from A to Z yet. My spirit team and my soul wanted me to do the work as soon as I possibly could, right?

The world needs it. I needed, I heal and grow through the work. And yes, I started [00:14:00] formally training very soon after, and it just, it never stopped And it clicked and I found my way. And so what I started to do is I really was, I was trained through Spiritualists I will forever be grateful for the training that they.

Have given me as a medium. So it's a very traditional way to learning mediumship and so at that time I stepped into being a professional medium and I was doing one to one mediumship sessions along with intuitive sessions as well, while also still doing therapy. It was very black and white and again, ethically, that is how I could make sense of it and how I was using both.

And then over time, as I sat with people, one to one mediumship sessions, I realized that I would close the session and I would be like, Oh there's this too. And then there's this too. And I'm not kidding. My throat chakra would hurt. it would be like, you're not, Doing it all. You're saying [00:15:00] beautiful work, And I the work was beautiful, but it wasn't all me. It wasn't all me. And it took a lot for me to say, Oh, my goodness. Okay. So we're going to do this different right? I'm going to be a trailblazer a little bit in this sense, and I'm being called to bring this in to also using my clinical skills.

And that's when clinical mediumship came. Came to fruition. 

Karen: Yeah. So let's talk about what that is. Yeah. 

Robyn: I think you've given enough context, but let's define clinical mediumship. And then how did that come to 

Kate: be? Yes, so clinical mediumship is the practice of combining or bridging traditional clinical skills.

 Such as the safe space, the processing that's involved in therapy, as well as the clinical skills of the clinician and what is taught. So that uses various modalities. For me I'm. heavily trained in dialectical behavior therapy, cognitive behavioral therapy, mindfulness. So all of those traditional mental health interventions along with evidential mediumship.

So along with using [00:16:00] messages from loved ones in spirit to guide the healing. And what I found is So transformational that actually came out of just continuing to do the work was that spirit was uncovering far more than just providing healing. So of course, right alone, those messages are healing of just knowing that they're there that they love you, that they're seeing all this, but there was more, it was not more.

In addition to there was something else and what they were starting to show was. unconscious processes, in the same way, traditional Freudian therapy, hypnosis, these other ways of really identifying the processes behind the brain, right behind the conscious brain.

This is where spirit was bringing in these things that people were like, Oh my goodness. I never even made that connection. I didn't even know I still lived with that, right? So [00:17:00] there was these aha moments that it was never my intention. I guess is what I'm saying when I originally started for me, it was like, this is fantastic.

This is a way of healing, but they uncovered even more than what I originally planned for. And it continues to unfold. 

Karen: Now, is clinical mediumship something that you came up with, Kate, or is this something that's being taught and practiced universally? 

Kate: It is a term that I came up with. And so it is my way.

like to say that it's just my way of doing it. I have had people come forward and say, how are you doing it? I'm like, I want to teach let me tell you, because again, it's been such a learned experience, learned process. Of course, there are absolutely licensed mental health professionals who are also mediums, but I like to say we all do it a little differently.

And what I recognize in my specific work really is the uncovering of these processes. And I think that's been a little different. It's just been something that I know my spirit team slid right in [00:18:00] there. It wasn't expected, but has been so beautiful to be of witness to. 

Robyn: And so if somebody wants to work with you utilizing this process, it's usually something that you do.

over several sessions so that you can really dig in there, 

Kate: right? How does it work? Exactly. Yes. So I set up my packages for three or six sessions. I do initial consultations. If you're just unsure, you don't know what this looks like. I offer that a 30 minute session.

 But the way that I work is over the course of sessions. Again, like I said, what I found when I was just meeting with somebody for one session is the work hadn't been completed yet. And naturally too, people were returning to say, Oh, there's something that came up last session that I want to, and it was just starting to just roll over.

And so I start with an initial assessment of 90 minutes and then the following sessions, the follow up sessions are 60 minutes and you can. Purchase a three or six session. I have various clients that just keep buying sessions. So that's similar to [00:19:00] psychotherapy or just continuing to do the work until you feel like you're ready to move forward with the new skills and new tools that you learn.

I 

Robyn: want to point out to someone listening right now, if you can imagine, let's say you have a grandparent or a parent in spirit. And they know something that happened to you as a child and that specific instance, which Kate would not know about otherwise, because you can't find it anywhere that comes up in a session on purpose at this at that specific time, then.

Whatever that instance that happened or trauma that maybe you experienced as a child that parent or grandparent knew about then you can start to work on that specific trauma. I just want to help people understand in addition to then also what I know we've experienced with Kate and other mediums, which is also guidance for moving forward.

So you're working through certain traumas that are impacting you as an adult, or if you're even an adolescent, that's going through this, that's impacting them. [00:20:00] But then you're also receiving guidance for how to move forward from a clinical social worker. So 

Karen: It's like a universal.

Modality, right? It's not just treating you as the symptom it's treating you at a soul level, Utilizing , as you said, your team of angels guides. Relatives that are helping you on the other side. 

Robyn: And I just also want to say that it's that and the fact that you may not even realize that something as a child, yes, do in that way until spirit brings it up.

And so that's the other part that I think is so different because there's so much that you don't realize. It affects you when you're older. 

Karen: so enriching. Can you talk about to the difference that you see in the healing process of your clients using the clinical mediumship approach versus just the traditional 

social work 

approach?

Kate: Absolutely. Yes. And I want to point out they're both perfect and they're both perfect for the perfect people, right? For each individual. So whatever you're [00:21:00] called to, it's exactly where you're meant to be. What I find is that a lot of people who come to clinical mediumship work are the people who know there has to be something more.

And so maybe they're trying methods and it's just not lining up for them. They're leaving therapy sessions and there's something there that I'm just not getting. There's something there that I'm just not tapping into. It's those people that end up seeking out something different, right?

And that is what clinical mediumship is . if you're open to it, I do feel it's a quicker healing. And it's not linear. So I don't like that word, but what we can accomplish in 3 sessions with the same person. Is far quicker than if we were in traditional therapy because Spirit knows things.

Spirit can see things that we simply cannot see. They can provide validation of things, they can provide healing and as we know in the spirit world, they have [00:22:00] grown exponentially. The amount of healing and perspective that they have gained is something in the human world that we don't have the same exact experience.

So it's their healing too. And that's something I didn't even mention is that when I bring spirit forward in clinical mediumship, they identify that they're healing alongside. My client. So it's incredible. It literally, sometimes I joke and I'm like, it feels sometimes like I'm doing couples therapy with the spirit world and my client here in the physical, because they're both, I have a lot of people that are working things out in ways that they couldn't safely process.

They couldn't safely work out here in the world with that loved one. Yeah. You can 

Robyn: imagine that with. an abusive partner, an abusive parent, an abusive friend, whatever it is. You can imagine for both and you're into your point. That's eye opening. I didn't think about that. 

Karen: No. And one of the things I'll share from the reading that you [00:23:00] gave for me was you brought two of my grandfathers through one who've never come through before in a reading to me.

And my father's father in particular I was really taken with because he was very articulate about the fact that I need to take a risk. That was literally what he said. And. He lived through the depression. He lost everything in the depression was a father of seven kids and had to really recreate his life.

So for me, the significance of that message coming from him specifically. Really had an impact on me, like of anybody to say that that was so moving for me, but it also shows the distance that he's come in his healing and letting go of that experience too. So I really think that reinforces what you just said, Kate.

Kate: Yes. And that they know, and as we know, in any session with spirit, they know far more than what our human brain can they just know exactly who needs to step forward, With what message but it's interesting too, because I have a lot of people, this is reminding me of people who come forward [00:24:00] in.

grief, And naturally are like, I would love to hear from this person that I am missing so much. But the first session we're sitting here, we're talking about their childhood and we're bringing in somebody that they never even thought would be relevant to the healing of grief. And yet it lines up.

Perfectly. They're like this. never thought I had to look at that. But the healing is so relevant. And I also want to point out, because as I just said that I got a response from my spirit team to say, they'd also don't give you anything that you're not ready for anything that you're going to be scared to see.

I think oftentimes there is that fear of I'm stepping into this session and there's such a level of vulnerability. When you're stepping into a session with an intuitive, it's not just black and white. It's not just what's in the room. You're opening yourself up to so much more. And say with full confidence that.

All of the spirit world is always working behind you, working with you, and they [00:25:00] do know that when you're ready, whatever is meant to come up well, will be revealed for healing. 

Karen: And I can see this being so helpful to people at all different stages, right? So perhaps they've gone through grieving process, and then they've moved on, but then Now they're at a crossroads again about job or a move that they are thinking about making and wanting to come back and have that experience with you to have that sort of reinforcement, not only from maybe their loved ones, but even from their own angels and guides 

Kate: to help them.

Yes. And that's exactly what I see is it's basically meeting you wherever you're at. Because that's what spirit does. And then something I didn't even mention that I really take seriously is the ability to hold the space and hold as a professional, as a licensed clinical social worker and somebody who isn't.

mental health trained, really the ability to provide those clinical skills in trauma, To create a space that the body can feel safe [00:26:00] to receive the messages from spirit, because so often we are in a fight or flight and It's not that we're not ready. We are more than ready, but our body just is not in a space to be able to hear it.

And so part of that is my, bringing forward those clinical skills and saying, okay, I'm hearing this. And that actually segues into my soul centered wellness plan. So what I create with my package clients is something called the soul centered wellness. plan and it breaks down your mind, body and spirit and how your mind, body and spirit are communicating to you.

How are you communicating to them? So how are you taking care of those areas of your soul? And with my education, I provide. Suggestions. So along the way, it's a fluid document. I use Google Docs still probably come up with a better process in the future, but it's a fluid document and over time through the sessions will work on it together and I will [00:27:00] add skills that I mentioned in session and oftentimes that's not just for me.

That's from spirit like they're saying, Hey, I really think that Breath work would be helpful, or I find that you're on your phone later at night. So we're talking about sleep hygiene practices. So it's in a tandem that we're creating a more comprehensive plan so that they can really integrate integration is so important.

And so they can really integrate what they're hearing and what they're receiving from spirit into their daily practice. Yeah, 

Robyn: We could not agree more because , Having had our own experiences hundred times over. If you don't , have some way of taking what you learned in a specific session and then applying it to your current life, it's for nothing.

You just can't.

 All about everything that you're doing, it is helping facilitate healing someone healing themselves, right? And that you get to help with all of your [00:28:00] experience and all of your skills and your abilities. You are helping facilitate that healing, but the only person that can heal themselves is that person, and so you're just setting them up for success in that way.

And what Karen and I always say, because that is, we so believe in having that process is the only way and being able to talk about it with somebody on top of it, right? So to have someone to consult with, Karen and I have each other. We've helped. Many people ourselves integrate what they've learned, but now having talking to you and having that process and coming from those kinds of skills.

Oh, my goodness. that is such. An incredible service that you're giving people 

Karen: well, and you're also reminding people that they're never alone that they have this team. With them at all times to help them that they can communicate with if they so choose in their journey. So in their integration, they can also call upon their grandfather, their grandmother, whoever it is for help moving forward.

And I think because the integration part we all [00:29:00] know that's the hardest part. It's great to take that step into your office, Kate, with you and to identify perhaps where some of that work needs to be done. But then once they leave or hang up from that zoom call, it's about doing the work but we're never alone.

We always have that team to help 

Kate: and guide us. Yes. Yes. And I think that was the guttural feeling that I would feel right when the session would end and it was like no, it's just that containment. It's like you have that safe space. but I need to see it further to know that I have, it's like my mission has been served.

My role has been complete. This job is completed rather it needs to go a little further than just that. 

Robyn: Yeah. I think back to my first time having a full session with a spiritual medium who reconnected me with my father.

 Had I then also had additional sessions and had that person also been, it was magical. That was a magical unlocking for me and had I been able to also take it further for my own healing? Because what [00:30:00] I didn't know at the time when all of that happened for me was that I needed closure. I didn't even know I needed that or that I had so much real trauma underneath This loss and grief.

 I honestly had no idea. And what it then uncovered for me was all of this additional work that I continue to still do, and we'll be ongoing. But again, I didn't even know I needed it. And so having this kind of process and ability that you're giving people and experience that you're giving people is really just.

It's so needed in my opinion, Oh it's so 

Karen: is I have a question. What does your mom say about your work 

Kate: now? I love this question and I'm giggling even more because my mom is also a medium. So she does, and it's. So beautiful because I was just out for a walk with her yesterday and she's still in her process of figuring out , what am I doing with this?

But she's looked at me and I had chills when she said it and she said, maybe my interest all those years ago, and it came out [00:31:00] of her losing her father. Was actually to help you along your path. And I was like, Oh and so she is nothing more than the best support. She's my biggest cheerleader. And she's so proud. And I said, mommy, , you're doing the work every single day and you just don't know it. It's been a joy to see her child that struggled. I struggled to find my place. Basically my entire life, nothing really made sense. I was a square peg in a round hole. It was like, this isn't fitting. And for both my parents.

It's been an absolute joy to see it unfold. I love that. 

Karen: Cause when you mentioned that book about the indigo children, that was one of my mom. Love that book. And she gave it to everybody that she met along the way. And so she always had that interest too, as she was doing the other traditional motherly things.

So I think it's so incredible that she's now following with you on that 

Robyn: path. Yes. 

Kate: No mistakes, Can 

Robyn: you define indigo children for those listening? 

Kate: I don't even really know the exact definition. , 

 Okay, so it's just unique children, [00:32:00] children that are not fitting the social norms. Come into the planet, asking for more, needing more than what the world has provided thus far they're here to create change. I'm a manifester.

And looking back, I'm like, of course I'm a manifester. And so it's like they will say things that are quite out of the ordinary. Their actions are different. They can't sit in classrooms they're going to ask. why do we have to learn these things? So they're agitators. They're here to break things up.

And that's why they have come into the world. So it's generations. I know it spans generations. Absolutely. I 

Robyn: my daughter is one of them as well. And I remember when she was I had never heard the term and then when I didn't read the book, but I did do my own little research and she definitely falls in that category.

 And as a little girl, she was asking questions that were far beyond her years. And also she was articulating things that she could see that others couldn't. No one else would [00:33:00] know. It was one of those situations. And we, as parents, my husband and I fostered it and still do.

 And clearly because I myself now I was not like you where I came out and it was traditionally, Oh, I'm a medium. I, that wasn't, I didn't even know about that until I was older. And in terms of. That we really all have abilities. and now, I'm talking to deceased loved ones and spirit guides and whomever else will come through 

Karen: But I think it's interesting with both of you really. A lot of your abilities came through trauma, Or that was something that really unlocked for you. And Robyn, it was when Robyn really recognized that it was actually trauma that that's right. She went through most of her.

, young adult life thinking that, okay, that was just something that happened. And that I had to deal with. and you Kate, with your grandfather as well, he was the one who had that role. n says her dad had the role for her to be the one who woke her up.

and 

Robyn: now I understand that relationship, but I certainly didn't never [00:34:00] thought of it that way so 

Kate: yes, and it's not framed for Children in that way, right? We just we don't talk about it in that way. Unfortunately, I do feel starting to write just similarly to you, Robyn and your work as a mother is, I think we are as we start to see things where we're being able to provide that for our Children.

But yeah, there's so much more, 

Karen: so much more parents to realize too. I think. That just because their child is different is not fitting in, I put in quotes, in the traditional way that actually might make them even more special and to lean in and recognize that I think Robyn and I've talked about the fact that even autism.

Now you have so many kids on the spectrum and. You can look at them as a whole new indigo Children that have come in to really adjust the energy of the planet. And we've just scratched the surface of what those Children are can do. So I think that's another area that's going to just blow up [00:35:00] as we move forward, because I think they are really special and they have capabilities that we just don't 

Kate: understand yet.

Yeah. I completely agree. They are so full of spirit, so attended, so connected, almost too connected for the human world, right? And so there's those sensitivities, and we're not taught how to connect. Be with being a human body as a spiritual being, And that's a lot of the teachings that I do is just talking about the reality of that and that it's not easy.

In fact, this is also reminding me of I had mentioned, getting the ADHD diagnosis and really. It was out of need to stay in the school systems to stay learning and engaged. And about five years after that, things had settled down. They had settled.

My nervous system had settled. I had settled. And sadly, I think my spirit had settled. But I was going through a grocery store with my mom. And I went, I think I was, maybe around 12, so it could have actually been around the time that my grandfather had passed. And I looked at her and I said, mom, I need to leave.

I am hearing people. I am [00:36:00] hearing people like they're right next to me and I keep looking and they're not next to me. And I was Absolutely freaking out. And she said, okay, you're okay. And she took me to my psychiatrist who was prescribing ADHD medication. And she had known me for many years. Thank goodness.

And she sat us down and she said, tell me what's going on. And I said, I'm hearing voices. And the psychiatrist took an assessment and did not pathologize me. And it is something that I am forever grateful for that. She didn't say we need further assessment. She didn't say you need to increase medications.

You need to go on this medication. And I am absolutely pro choice around medication. Medication can be incredibly healing, but for me in that situation, that's not what I needed. And I think there's so many kids. Someone could have clearly said, maybe you have schizophrenia or something else.

Exactly. Any other mental health diagnosis. and I actually have clients come to me with that experience. And then the trauma of not only [00:37:00] understanding their gifts. But then receiving that diagnosis that is creating an additional narrative to who they are and how they fit into the world and it can be both healing and not healing, right?

I have many people who say that any mental diagnosis is so helpful, And it absolutely can serve its purpose, but it's very interesting that we're talking about that, I think there's such a blurred line between mental health and intuition and connection to spirit and sensitivities.

We can use all different language for it, but I am forever grateful that day was just like another day. And then I went on to doing other things and figuring it out along the way. Wow. 

Karen: We were talking to someone just last week who, when she came into her gifts, She really thought she was crazy to you have those moments where it's like, what am I actually hearing?

And can I trust that? And is this something, is this a mental illness or is this my intuition? It can be really traumatizing for people when they're first coming into it and really recognizing what it is. Is it that I'm [00:38:00] actually experiencing so the more we can parents like your mom, what a hero for doing everything that she did for you.

She just wanted you to be safe and to fit in and all of that. And yet it feels like she just used everything at her disposal to really get you. through that experience. Talk about soul contracts. 

Kate: You too. Oh, yeah. Oh, I just got chills many lifetimes for sure.

She's my greatest teacher. And she's so full of wisdom. It's always 

Robyn: so helpful when we're talking about being a soul in a human body and for clients that come in and clearly they're open enough that they're wanting to work with you. What do you find in terms of how they are embodying and what do they say about Getting in touch with their own souls outside of just being able to receive messages from spirit because they're clearly open to that.

 what kind of conversation goes on about who you 

Kate: are at your core? I love that. Yes. So that's what I call soul centered living. How are we living throughout our day connected to our soul our [00:39:00] innermost compass, our innermost knowing what I talk about in a lot of times in my psycho education is I provide a framework through the lens of trauma and through the lens of nervous system.

that's where my trauma education comes, is we are humans living, we are spiritual beings living in human bodies, and our human bodies are designed to keep us safe. They're not designed for us to connect to spirit all the time, and so it's about educating, providing those skills so that they can learn how to center.

They're in ground themselves enough to be able to live a soul centered life and ultimately receive the wisdom that they have. They have all of it, We each have all of it. We don't need Anybody, and we're never alone. And so not only with our own soul, but then also connecting to the spirit world, we all have the ability to do that.

And so I start really where they are, [00:40:00] And that's a lot of the assessment that I do in the first 90 minutes is let's talk about your everyday life. How do you live in your body? And how do you ground yourself? Is your mind very busy? And if so, let's talk about that. And so once we're able to focus the mind center, the body and connect to spirit, to our spirit and to the other spirit worlds, that is soul centered living right there to its fullest, We're able to really follow our own compass for guidance, for clarity for just. meaningful life. It's how to create life meaningfully. And so that's a lot of the more quote unquote clinical side of the work that I do. And so , they all come in various different places in their life, but that's how they're living embodied is each and every day connecting to you, connecting to your soul, asking your mind, body, and spirit, what it needs, what it's communicating to you and how to respond.

Robyn: And are there suggestions that you can give people to who are listening right [00:41:00] now to begin living a more soul centered 

Kate: life? First and foremost is set aside time each and every single day just to listen. Listening doesn't have to be meditating, but it has to be intentional. So for some people, I even say each time you brush your teeth, Listen, ask your mind, body, and spirit what it's communicating to you and what it needs today and respond.

Because just like a little kid, if you were to listen and you were to ask, what do you need today and you did not respond. To their request, it's going to get louder. It's going to get louder and outer. And so we need to show our souls. We need to also show our spirit teams that we are here.

We are available. We are open. And that we're working with them to heal. We're working with our own self and with the spirit world to heal and to be our fullest selves to do the work that we [00:42:00] came here to do. I love the 

Karen: brushing of your teeth. Like how many hours have I wasted in my lifetime for something dedicated like that?

And it is something that you do every day. So it's easy. I'm just thinking like that morning 

Robyn: ritual 

Karen: time that otherwise, you're wasting it otherwise.

Kate: love that Kate, that is such a good one. And let me be clear. I do not do that every day. I always want to be like, listen, this is not a perfect practice. Do I listen to my mind, body and spirit every single day? Absolutely not. Do I see potentially the consequences of that? Yes, but I pivot, I create change and I'm Always trying, it's the intention. We are human. this is a human life and it is not easy. This is not an easy life. And so we use the tools that we have, but , we have to have grace for our own selves and our own processes, because we got these human bodies that are not [00:43:00] so perfect all the time.

Karen: Thank goodness. We have you Kate. 

 We all need guidance to get 

Robyn: there. And I wanted to ask too, how old are your clients? Are you focused now on adults or are you also seeing 

Kate: adolescents? That's a great question.

I am now just adults. I am. always open. I just think that's what started. That's just what the spirit world brought me initially. I am open to all ages. I just need parental consent and, parents to be a part of the process if you're under 18, but that's what I was originally called to.

And I'm always open to that because I think adolescents are so strongly connected. I find similar to children. They are ready. They are so connected to their intuition and to the spirit and they just don't always have the guidance to how to listen. So everybody, like zero to 100, plus.

Robyn: I feel like we have really given people a new perspective on how all of this can work together. And really help them live a soul centered life [00:44:00] and getting to that place in a way they may not have ever thought of it before. And I think that 

Karen: you can teach others, Kate, because I feel like you've just scratched the surface on what.

Is the impact that this kind of therapy can have for people. So I hope people are inspired and they come and have a session with you, but I also hope it inspires others to follow your path 

Kate: as well. Karen. And I know 

Robyn: that you offer that as another way to working with humans and souls is working with.

traditional therapists right now and helping if they are open and want to potentially combine. mediumship or intuitive skills with their work. Is 

Kate: that right? Absolutely. Yes. I offer consultations for any mental health professional who's looking to bring in intuition into their practice.

And I, again I feel that the world's asking for more. I don't think it's just as both of it's, we need something new. And I think there's many people like me who were [00:45:00] faced with that question are faced with that question of how do I do this? How do I possibly do this? And I am here for you.

 if you're sitting there thinking this can't be done, it absolutely can be done. I'm hoping one day that the mental health field adopts this and an ethically centered. Clinically informed way, that would be absolutely fantastic for us to be able to say this. This truly is a mental health intervention in the way that I see it.

That's for sure. 

We 

Robyn: agree. And thank you for being brave enough. To be open and follow this calling. It's certainly your purpose. And we're so grateful that we get to amplify it to others because we know how powerful it is and can be. And I just think of my little 12 year old self wishing number one, that I believe that there was something else that we never really die.

And that I had a therapist that also, I love my therapy, however, I just, I wish that there was more, it would have helped me but I know we 

Kate: all know it's on purpose. So Oh, but of [00:46:00] course. And again, It's exactly for who it's meant to be for and, on your specific path, when it happens, it's not for everyone.

And 

Karen: just for also for people who are listening, who may feel like they.

 You're such a wonderful example of someone who was different and became a trailblazer a place that's just giving back to so many. So never doubt just because you're different and you're not like everybody else, that could be the talent that you have or the gift that you give to the world. So don't.

Don't hide it. 

Robyn: Let it shine. 

Kate: I agree. It's like the world always reflects back what we need to put out the most really and truly. And it's just that reminder that keep going. If something feels authentic and if you're being your true authentic self, then. That's what we can only ask of you.

 It is a better place, when we're listening in and when we're truly shining. 

Karen: Thanks to your grandfather and your mother. [00:47:00] Thanks. Yeah. For all of you working as a team to bring this to the world. I know you're going to help so many and inspire so many.

Kate: Thank you. Yes. Again, it's such an honor just to see it all unfold in your own lifetime and you just see the chain, you look back and you see the chain and how it all connects and just grateful for all the lessons and everybody who's helped me get here today. including both of you, thank you so much.

Robyn: And to find out more about working with Kate, visit katestacom. com. That's K A T E S T A C O M. And you can also follow her at Kate Stacom on Instagram and Facebook. Thank you.