Seeking Center: The Podcast

From Burnout to Breathwork + Reiki: How Realigning Energy Led To Purpose, A Self-Care Biz and Aliens - Episode 22

December 01, 2020 Robyn Miller Brecker / Karen Loenser / Ellen Wong / Samantha WIlliams Season 1 Episode 22
Seeking Center: The Podcast
From Burnout to Breathwork + Reiki: How Realigning Energy Led To Purpose, A Self-Care Biz and Aliens - Episode 22
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OMG. This conversation!! Meet fellow seekers turned healers Ellen Wong and Samantha Williams. Burnt out of their careers (can you relate?!), they left their jobs to feel better and start a company to help other women feel better. They had no idea it would lead them to deep spiritual awakenings and reveal their own intuitive gifts. Not only did they create Daughters., they started a podcast and have become certified healers themselves.

Their journeys are relatable — and remarkable at the same time. They fill us in on everything from Tarot to Family Constellation Healing to Breathwork and Reiki healing. Ellen and Sam share their jaw-dropping experiences and explain these different spiritual modalities in detail.

By the end we’re discussing aliens, Arcturians and Ascended Masters. It is an episode you don't want  to miss. 

Plus, get the scoop on the culmination of their journey their company Daughters. They've created products to help you feel better each and every day.

You can hear more about their evolving journeys, as well as healers and teachers that they continue to meet on their “Woo Knew?” Podcast on Apple: and Spotify:

And you can work with both of them!

Want to work with Ellen? You can find her @breathe.dtla on Instagram.

Want to work with Sam? You can find her @catalyzyourcurrent on Instagram.

Look for their Full Moon and New Moon Offerings @we.are.alldaughters on Instagram.

#seekingwithrobyn #breathwork #reiki

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Have you ever wondered about life's biggest questions? Like, why am I here? What happens when we die? Or what else is out there, but we have, and we love to talk about it. And if you're listening, we think you probably do too. I'm Robyn and I'm Karen and we've spent our lives searching for those answers.

And we're seekers, just like you talking to some of the most fascinating spiritual teachers, healers and scientists. And showing you how you can use some of their spiritual practices for yourself. Also be sharing stories of other seekers. They motivate you to live your fullest and we'll be translating it all.

So the spiritual stuff won't feel so out there. If you're curious, get ready to rediscover why we're here together.

After burning out from their digital careers, Ellen Wong and Samantha Williams realized how disconnected they had become from their bodies and intuition. I met Ellen Wong years ago while I was working with Oprah. She was a superstar creative at an agency that was helping us with various projects. I remember thinking what a cool, smart and brilliant woman.

What I didn't know is that she and I were kindred spirits. We had both suffered the loss of our fathers and we both had a deeper spiritual calling that we'd soon find out in 2018, Samantha at work, the same agency that was helping with the Oprah projects. Sam was on the digital marketing end over time.

Sam's body was shutting down and she was constantly sick. She just wanted to feel better in the spring of 2018, Sam and Ellen left their corporate careers and decided to create a women's self care brand. They found a daughters, a company devoted to helping women get curious, conscious, and committed to self healing opportunities to try new healing modalities started to appear, and it was not long before Ellen found the practice of breathwork and Samantha found Reiki.

And soon after they began the wound new podcast. They were exploring different therapies and ideas that help them reconnect us back to ourselves. They felt that it was such a transformative experience that like us, they wanted to demystify all things. We will and share what they are learning. We're looking forward to talking about their secret journeys, breath, work, Reiki, taro, and much more so good to see you guys.

You too take care. And I'm just excited to have these deep conversation. Yeah, I did people. Sam, thank you so much. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. Oh, good. Good. So let's talk about your respective journeys, Ellen and Sam from your corporate careers to these spiritual healers teachers and really business women.

Ellen, let's start with you. What's your story. And what led to your transformation? I was thinking about this for awhile. It seems like. Such it's like far out in the distance already, but really it's only been two years or so you hear about all these like waking stories where, you know, people have this like transformative, overnight sort of thing.

Like they get some vision or whatever that just sound like blows the doors open and you know, it's like, they're a totally different person the next day. It was definitely not that for me. I feel like mine started in 2016. And when I got promoted at my work to become the executive creative director at this digital agency that both Sam and I worked at, I got promoted to this role, you know, and it's kind of like the, basically the end of the road, if you're a creative in that particular, you know, that agency, there's nowhere else to go, you know, unless you just jumped ship and start your own.

When I got promoted, I think. All these questions about like, do I want this, did I ever want this? Like, you know, all of that start started coming in and it made me realize that, like, I literally had just been on this like escalator, like I wasn't consciously climbing the corporate ladder. I wasn't.

Consciously trying to, you know, grow and evolve my career. It was just happening on autopilot. And it's like, I'm not saying that to like toot my own horn or anything like that, but I literally feel like you and I have both lost a father. Right. Robyn. And I feel like in hindsight it was almost like his hand sort of just guiding me through the career and bringing these opportunities to me.

And it was almost kind of like, I didn't even have to think about where it was. I wanted to go. I was just. Going, you know, so I elevated my career really quickly and I finally got this promotion and it was the first time I was like, I don't know if I want this, you know, I never really wanted this, but then what the hell am I doing here then?

You know what I mean? And like, and so it became the beginning of this like existential crisis that rolled into the next year, you know, 2017. And I got married in March that year. I took that time as an excuse to basically jumped ship for about a month and just take time off because I was already burning out by that point.

And also just feeling a lot of imposter syndrome coming up because. I didn't know why I was there really. And I didn't know if I was like, meant for this job. And it almost felt kind of like, why am I getting this when so many other people really want this? You know? And it was a lot of that stuff that was starting, starting to come up for me.

And it just made me feel like I don't deserve this. Like, I don't know why I'm here. I don't know what I'm doing. And I was busting my ass to try to prove to myself that I needed to be there or that I was worthy to be there. And people pleasing people pleasing too. Crazy degree. And so I took a month off, got married, went on this beautiful honeymoon.

And then the day I came back, I remember I walked back into the office. That day was like, literally just being tossed right back into the fire. I was in a meeting getting screamed at, by the client. Like everything was falling apart. It was almost kinda like, you know, like that month hadn't happened. So that, I think that was really the point that I started going.

Okay, I need to get the fuck outta here. You know, I just need to get out as fast as possible. And I don't know what the hell I can do, but by that point I had already started meditating and I would call myself a meditator, but really it was very much a. 10 minutes, maybe one week, maybe I'll do a streak of three days, you know, another 10 minutes a day.

You know, it was like, that was, to me, what matters  was for me, it was just a coping mechanism. Finally, like fast forward to the end of that year, I had already started thinking about this idea of creating some sort of self care brand for women like me who are burnt out, hate their jobs. Oh, it was like, all right, perhaps I can help people just like me because I need it myself.

So I'm sure there's other people out there that are feeling this way too. And Sam and I had been working on this like Lego account together at the time. So I've been hearing her stories and she was like super overworked as well. And we were like, kind of already like a team, but that's how I got kind of got to know Sam through the agency.

And at the end of that year in November, I remember taking a trip to Joshua tree and. I had never done a terrible ring before in my life. But in Joshua tree, I found this woman, she came over to the house and that reading, it was like turning on the lights almost, you know? And I think in that reading, it was super clear to me.

I need to leave my job. I need to spend more time in nature specifically. And she really emphasized that too. And that all started coming through. So that really gave me the. Courage I think, and almost kind of like the green light or the thumbs up to just do it. And again, little did I know that? I think my dad was really the one sort of orchestrating all of this, but I really felt confident at that moment, like scared shitless, but still confident.

Like this is the move I need to make. And it wasn't until I think April the next year that I finally. Jumped ship. And Sam and I have been talking this whole time. I think we had one night in January where we're like commiserating about just how miserable we were in our jobs. And she was expressing to me that she wanted to leave.

I was expressing to her that I wanted to as well, I had this like exceed. It was literally just like self care for women. Let's create a store. That was it. That. As far as I had like really concepted out. So I asked her like, would you want to even build this with me? She agreed. And so that really wasn't, it's kind of like the top.

And that was really what kind of created daughters that, that fateful like January night when we're both of us were stuck in the office at midnight. Do that to you. Yeah. Cool. To know that like April we quit our jobs the very next day we went to go see a lawyer to drop. Partnership plans. And again, no real concept of what we're creating at all.

I, and in hindsight, I'm like, why did we do that? It seems so, you know, like something we would do, like way after, like we had a real concept, but, and then that's really where the planning started happening for daughters. But really again, in hindsight looking at it, it was really the beginning of both of our healing journey.

It sounds like to me too, that taro reading for you, what I like to say. To Karen a lot is that it's like an unlocking, there's like an unlocking of your plan. Yeah. Open your soul up. When that recognition of that yearning that's already, there is validated by something that feels like, okay, it's my permission slip.

I can do this. Robyn and I, we have such a similar story. It's so it's so cool. But I think there are just so many women out there that have that same feeling. Like I'm an imposter at work, and I should be happy with this role and what's wrong with me? Why am I not happy doing what I'm doing? And the fact that you were willing to listen to.

Your heart is really exciting. And I, I want to hear it from you, Sam, about, you know, what was going on in your mind. So it's funny because we actually have very similar stories in that. Like, I think my journey started really early, too. It was like a slow burn of the dark night of the soul. It was very similar in that I was, you know, I had gotten promoted to be an account director and I had been an account director for a while and it didn't take long for me to realize like, Oh, this job doesn't get easier.

When you move up, you don't have more of a life. When you move up, you actually have less of a life more responsibility. You're constantly at the mercy of somebody else's budget. Somebody else's schedules. And so it just, it doesn't allow you to really have any autonomy or like a personal life. And around the same time that Ellen and I were working on Lego, I just started having really weird health problems.

Like my legs had started going numb and I had like all these like weird things happening on my skin. And I was like, what is going on? And it was the same process of this constant rumination of like, okay, I'm looking at my next move. And I, and I'm like, I knew at that point that I just didn't want it. To move up anymore.

I was like, I don't want to get promoted because it's not where I'm meant to be. I'm not happy right now. I have no idea how I got this far, but I think there's a lot of pressure around these like external expectations of like what successful looks like in and how we are expected to contribute. To society.

And I had just like internalized all of that. And I was like, okay, this is the next thing on the list. Check that off. When I got to that point, I knew I had to leave, but like Ellen said, I didn't have a plan, but I was like, I can't stay in advertising. So I had been thinking about this for quite a while.

And then my health just continued to deteriorate. So it was a lot of time spent traveling. And then that one fateful night, the Ellen, where we were, we were talking and we just said, decided to do this looking back. I'm like, okay, we were a little bit crazy. At the beginning, like I had no idea what we were doing, but there was also something really beautiful about like going and getting, getting the paperwork drawn up that first day, because it became real in that moment.

And that night in January, when we had that conversation for me, it was a very easy decision to make it's even cool. Now kind of to hear like Ellen reflect on her story, because I remember having this moment where we had this book club where all these women of the agency got together and everybody. For the first time in a long time had really started like opening up and talking about the way that they had been feeling the stress they had been carrying and how alone they felt.

I was like, guys, this is the craziest thing. We are all here. We're all experiencing very similar things. And yet we all feel alone. This is a problem. I think in a big way, that was a huge motivator for me to want to give back to people in our positions who are all struggling and all feeling the same ways and dealing with the same pressures and the same external expectations and sort of just try and figure it out.

What you said is so true. You're all together feeling the same way, but yet you're all feeling so alone. And the fact that you guys actually got together had this conversation, and then you actually did something about it. Not everybody does it. We can all talk a big game, but you don't actually act on it.

And so I get what you're saying about because of who you both are and where you had gotten in your careers. To me, it sounds like you knew if you had that official, then you were going to just work for it, whatever that was going to be. That's who you are in your soul, you made the commitment, it was like a marriage, almost like you went down to the justice of the peace.

Now, thinking back on it you're right. It was totally like getting married and getting married with not like, it was like we had a singular vision, which was awesome. And I think it was really because our hearts were even in, even in the subconscious, I think we were very much aligned because. Both of us were hurting so bad and it wasn't until we went to Joshua tree on this, like almost like a vision quest kind of like trip for about four days, we got these big sheets of the sticky paper or whatever that we can like put over the walls and like all these markers.

And we were just like, literally just dreaming, knowing ourselves to dream. And part of that process was also what do we not want? What kind of life do we want to create? Not just what kind of business, but like what kind of. Lifestyle and life do we want to create, now that we have the opportunity to set it from day one, even then?

I don't think we really only knew ourselves at all the dreams and things that we put there. I felt like it was almost with, through a lens or a filter of like, I just want to feel better and be happy. That was it. It was almost like the bare bones, but I think the thing also that really aligned us was we were no longer in a system that was, it was just financially driven about greed and growth and that kind of like validation.

We were more about like, what's going to make us. Happiest, it's letting go of the ego, you know, and when I say ego, I mean money and titles and invalidation from these other, the other really rather than from, at the core stripping things down, what is going to make you happy and actually hearing how you did this.

You actually were treating yourselves like client. Yeah experience. Like if you really look at it, you have the whole process down work with Lego or, or own them. So we work together. Like it was that like, you were like doing that. That's the right people to do that. Finally, we were able to ask ourselves this, rather than asking a client or asking somebody else and like waiting to see if you said something, right.

Do you, I mean, I were validated by what they said back to you or how they responded to your reflection of them. Now, it was just like, this is about, so we can actually focus on us. Which sounds so weird to say out loud, but I mean, I think that's also the crux of what we're going through this year and learning.

How do we redirect that focus back to ourselves and really evolve ourselves and learn what we need to learn and heal what we need to heal and stop looking externally so much out. Everything else and what everybody else is thinking and doing and blah, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. That's just really just distractions from our own truth.

Can you just give us a quick overview of what the vision of daughters is? We first started concept thing, daughters. Like we were like, how do we feel better? We knew that we wanted to start a store. We're going to sell products to help women feel better. And, you know, build resilience. And so we did a ton of research around quick practical things that we can do that will actually make a really big difference, which is how we ended up finding aroma therapy.

Your body physiologically responds to the sense of these oils and the way that you can use them. And. For really busy working professionals. This is a very practical tool. So that grew into candles and aroma therapy through that, through other like small practices, like journaling and journal prompts. And, but we talk about this all the time because now daughter's vision is so much bigger.

Those are the tools that we use to help women come back to themselves. To help people find moments and create rituals in their lives. And that is really the way that we come back to our inner truth and the way that we figure out what we really want and then understand that we have the power to create what we want in our lives.

Then on top of it. Yeah. We also started wound news. So I don't know if you want to jump in and talk about where new L the podcast actually came through. Luna's our podcasts. And again, we had left our careers started this whole process of just dreaming about what kind of company we wanted to create. And that kind of like kick-started our own healing journeys.

And again, I don't think we intentionally, or, or were consciously trying to heal per se, because it's like, you don't know what you don't know, you know? Yeah. And we didn't know we needed it. And honestly, I think. You know, and I can only speak for myself here. I think what I had been experiencing throughout my whole life was a numbing out through being a workaholic and a lot of drugs, a lot of alcohol partying a lot.

It was a lot of numbing to not feel the pain of losing my father, you know? And so that grief was just like in there, stuck in there somewhere. And. I don't think I ever felt like permission to feel. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't think I ever felt like it was a good thing to feel so deeply or to feel so much.

And so I think as we were kind of going through this healing journey, we ended up trying breath work. It was Sam's for assignment. It might have been my second or third time, but we had this one breathwork session in September of 2018. That was so powerful. And you know, my father's spirit was present and something that just completely.

Changed my life. And I got reconnected to my father through that experience. And so that led me towards this like breathwork trajectory and really wanting to get certified as a breathwork coach and like looking back now, cause it, it feels all jumbled, but it was almost like the university she's giving us opportunities to meet all these different healers and therapists.

We weren't even searching for it. It was just like kind of coming to us, you know, these opportunities to try our whole journey in. Creating daughters first is physically trying to feel better. He came much deeper addressing the pain in ours, in our soul, in our bodies, like on a much deeper emotional level.

Why not tell our story too? And just tell more of a fish out of water story, because both of us came from this very skeptical place of this is all bullshit. You know, like, what is Reiki like energy here? Like, what is this? You know? So we both came from this very, very analytical intellectual place. Because of our digital backgrounds, you know, everything's data, everything's like proven, everything's, you know, very, very cold and unfeeling, you know?

And so we needed to kind of prove to ourselves that this stuff was legit. And I think that was really what became the whole inspiration behind wound new, because if we were questioning all this stuff and we were starting to. I mean, we would come through different sessions just with our minds, just jaws on the floor minds, blown, open this slow unraveling and opening up and awakening of like the magic in the universe that we want to start deep diving into these different modalities to really understand it better for ourselves, but also to cool.

Anybody who's curious. About any of this stuff, anybody who comes from like a skeptical point of view, like you want to have this a little bit of a scientific mind, almost like a, I don't believe this mind, because then the magic of it, when it proves itself to you is even more powerful. I totally agree. I that's exactly what was happening and you're just kind of like, I have no idea.

What is happening at all, but I want to know more. That's really the journey, right? It's just constantly wanting to know more my healing perspective. I own, you talked about your dad and Sam, you talked about your health. How did you both heal? And then let's talk about how it then became incorporated both in daughters and we knew, and then what you're both personally doing.

It took a really long time to heal. Honestly, we left in April of 2018, but I don't think that like I fully understood knowing how much I needed to heal by the time I even started to realize it, which was like around November, December of 2018. And at that point I had tried Reiki once. And I had had this like insane experience where the practitioner's hands weren't even touching me.

And I'm laying on the table. You all of a sudden, like everything behind my eyes turns bright white, and I can see these fluorescent colors coming in from the side and the top and the bottom. And I was like, what happened? And I just went crazy trying to figure out what that was. But at the same time, we were trying other things like hypnotherapy and we did the breath work together and you name it.

We've, we've probably tried it at least once. And really, I just wanted to be like, okay, blow my mind. Yeah. Like I was always just looking for that. I also was totally detached from my body. And I think that was where a lot of my health problems were coming from. Like it was residual stress, too much cortisol buildup, and it was so bad for so long that I just stopped feeling it.

And I think that's where the issues came with with my legs. So it took almost a year actually for me to come back around to Reiki and all of those other experiences contributed significantly to my healing, but I think Reiki was such a gift from the universe at that point, because I needed something very.

Gentle any sensation. Wasn't overwhelming sensation. When I first started healing, Reiki allowed me just to receive, I had gotten pretty heavy into meditation at that point. Like I had started meditating every day, but the Reiki was something, it was sort of like next level to that. Like my best meditation's like Reiki could get me deeper, help me feel better, longer.

I loved it so much, but also I w I wanted to like really engage in like, Open my connection to this ceiling modality so that I could embrace it fully. When I first started, I was like, okay, I'm just going to learn how to do it for myself. I'm just going to go through one and two. I don't need to like become Reiki master.

I'm never going to teach. And then like lo and behold, come around to Reiki master time. And I was like, yep. Got to keep going. So while we've been doing, we renew. Scoring these other modalities and loving the opportunity to bring some of these modalities to people who maybe think like meditation is the only option and sort of just help open that door for people has been really inspiring.

And it's really helped both Ellen and I understand how much these healing modalities have helped us and inspired us to start our own. Own Galing practices. So now I'm a master Reiki practitioner, as well as doing all of this stuff with daughters. And we knew on the side, but it's all connected. The thing about Sam being a Reiki master too, is that it relates to her price because she can actually send re like Reiki out the products and that energy is actually held within our products too, which makes it even more powerful.

And, yeah, I, I constantly look back and I look at our different paths. There are parallel paths, but clearly on two different roads. As we're also still joined doing, you know, everything for daughters, but nothing has been a coincidence at all. It's it's been like just again, miraculous and mind blowing, how things have unfolded.

Yeah. Well, and so let's hear about what happened with you much like Sam to it it's been a journey, right. And so we've been doing all these different things. So one of which was family constellation work. Everything's like divine timing, right. A month before. My birthday, the breath work coach that had guided us in that very first breath work session.

That again blew open the doors for me. And she had just sent me a name of a woman and she said, you should totally check this person out. She does. She didn't even say the word family constellation. I had no idea what the hell that was like. It was just check out this woman. She, you know, I did a session with her and it was.

Life-changing, it was one of those things where I looked at it and I said, okay, cool, thanks. I'll check it out. And never looked at it at all until suddenly one day, for whatever reason, that text popped into my mind, I was like, Oh, I never really checked out what she had sent me. So I looked at it. And it was this woman.

I was reading her website and reading about family constellation work. And then I realized that her next group session was literally on my birthday chills. That just went through my body and like, like a green light going, you need to do this. It sounded really intense. And it sounded like who wants to spend eight hours like crying on their birthday?

You know, it just sounded like this is not something you really want to do, you know, but I don't know why I just felt this pull towards it. And so it was almost like a reluctant sort of like. Okay. I need to sign up. It was a group of people I want to say maybe no more than 25 or so. We're all sitting in a circle, basically what family constellation work, at least what I experienced.

And this is my only experience so far, but it was insanely powerful. There was four constellations. Done that day. And what constellation is, it's like, role-playing the facilitator. She selected four people, very intuitively, and then she would bring that person to her. They would sit and talk to her for a little bit.

And again, this is in front of the group, CIN, talk to her about what it is that they were struggling with. And then. She would basically pick people from the group to role play, whatever people are, relatives, you know, whatever people or entities needed to be represented in this activity or in this like recreation of what it is that they're going through.

And so that person, whoever constellation they're doing, they literally sit on the sidelines and they're just watching the whole thing. They're not even. Part of the constellation work. But for me, she, I was the first person she picked. So we just started talking and she's like, I just sense incredible sadness coming off of you.

I wasn't feeling sad necessarily, you know, but she just, she just looked at me. She's just like, it just it's really heavy. And then she started. Asking me questions. And prior to the session we had to like basically have a candle ceremony, a candle ritual, where we gave gratitude to our ancestors and my grandmother on my dad's side came through that session.

So in my mind I was thinking, okay, I think this is about her. Cause the whole family constellation work is really about healing, generational trauma and healing, ancestral wounds and things like that. And so. I started talking to her about my grandma. And I don't know why this is, this is how numbed out I was.

I think I was talking and I started realizing like, Oh my gosh, my grandmother was alive when my dad died and I did not even remember that. And so the whole constellation ended up being about my father's death. And so she had me sit on the sidelines and she picked somebody to. Represent my dad, my mom, my paternal grandmother, my maternal grandmother.

And then there was a woman who represented me. So I'm basically watching these people in the middle of this pit. You know, I had to intuitively just position them in the middle of the room. And I had no idea what, what I was doing. You know, she was like, just. Fill it out. There's no right or wrong. There's no wrong.

And then slowly, these people started basically is almost like the energy of the people that they were playing or representing started coming through. And the woman playing my mother just broke down in sobs and she was just feeling like all of a sudden it's coming through. I ask something I'm so fascinated by this.

Did anything happen after you position them to make that energy start flowing or. Started it just started. Whoa. Okay. Wanting out of your ego and allowing that it's almost like channeling in, in a interesting way, you know, but it's a full body channeling where you're just like taking on that energy and it's coming through and you start role-playing you start talking to each other and playing out the deck.

I heard my father apologize to my mom. I'm like getting emotional talking about it, but yeah, he would like apologize to my mom for leaving her and was telling her how proud he was that she had. You know, raise me and my brother and on her own. And he was sorry that he had to leave and she apologize to him.

It was just like really beautiful. And like, it, it basically culminated in this huge, like at one point she subbed out the woman who played me and put me in the circle and all of this just like were crying and like, like hugging together. It felt like such a cathartic release. Clearly a massive energy shift happened among my family, because I think what happened with that one session was a lot of pain was released, not just from me, but also my dad's spirit, my mother's spirit as well.

And she's still living, you know, my two grandmothers as well, like who didn't really get to really say goodbye, you know, it's like, it was just. It's still one of the most mysterious and baffling experiences of my life, but I'm now seeing the aftermath of it. And like, but I know when we had the conversation like that conversation has stayed with me.

I mean, I couldn't remember what it was called. Remember how you. I just got to imagine for people who are listening, I'm even thinking about Robyn right now, what a wonderful opportunity that could be, especially if somebody has left. And I can just see that being such a tremendous release and forgiveness and understanding of something that's happened in your past.

So thank you for sharing that I ever heard of that I've heard of a lot of stuff. I know family, and for your family, I'd love what you said is like ancestral. It's like, yeah, just for you. It's so that it doesn't continue on. Yeah. Does that work? It ripples backwards, you know, it's like, if you don't look at time as this linear thing, that we tend to look at it as look at it in the quantum definition of it, everything you're doing in your lifetime now is rippling it forward and backwards.

So you're affecting who you were even five years ago, even you as a little child. And I do remember this, like Sam and I were in New York, just even like a week later in doing our first trade show. And that night. One of our friends, a Reiki master. It was amazing to meet Mae, but she wanted us to meet her friend Ingrid, who was a litigator, but also happened to be the reader.

She's a corporate litigator. She does credible taro readings. Like it's so unreal, unreal. And she makes her own. We also interviewed her too, but she makes her own tea. She has her own taro deck. That is beautiful letterpress gold edge. It's beautiful. She gifted both of us, a reading that night at a restaurant as she was looking at my cards.

She just. Stopped. And she's like staring at the cards and I'm asking her what is going on right now. And she said, I don't know. I just feel like I just see energy jumping back and forth from these two piles, you know? And then she just said, okay, let's just move forward. You know? So she's like, why don't you just put the pals back together?

And so I did. And apparently like each of the piles represents passing. Present future, which I didn't know at the time. So the way you put it back together into one tile is usually kind of what the reading is about. I put it all together in one pile and she just stopped again. And she was just staring at the cards and she goes, again, this is a week after the family constellation work.

She looked at me and she goes, you just jumped ancestral lines. And I'm like, What does that mean? She's like, I don't, you just like ended a karmic line for your family and she has no idea what hell what happened. And I had to tell her, like I just broke down. I just, I told her what had happened in that family constellation workshop.

And so that was my validation or confirmation that something happened because she saw it. It was like, before she even read the car, she just. I saw it in the energy, coming through the cards from past and present and future. However, like I don't even really fully understand it myself, but yeah. Blew my mind.

I was like, okay, this stuff is real well. And as you said, how these experiences came to you, right? Like. You guys were there for daughters. You didn't even know you were going to get this terrible reading. This woman. It's like the universe coming together to be like, here you go. Here are some clues. Yeah.

And so nice that Sam, you were there. Cause that's often what Robyn and I say to each other is when we're sharing these experiences, because you almost need somebody to be like, did you do. Yeah, thank God for Sam. Like she's literally seen it from day one all the way through. I know. And that was like, what was so cool about starting renew too, is just that we were having all these conversations around these crazy synchronicities that like.

You just cannot make this stuff up. Like, I mean, I have worked with multiple energy healers and mentors, and like, there've been times where I'll come back from one and I'm like, Ellen, you won't believe this. I didn't tell so-and-so at all about like what happened in this energy reading with my team. Sure.

But then he saw the exact same past life and explain it to me in like perfect detail. And I was like, and they both saw it. Like there's no coincidences. So it's really cool to see the synchronicities and then like, When they start to pop up everywhere and you're just like, my God, I'm, we're on the right path to something like why Karen and I initially got going on seeking with Robyn and we wanted other people to have this experience of people who are at a crossroads and not sure what they should do or how they can heal.

We wanted them to. See that you can talk to different people who don't know, you don't know your story. They don't know each other. They may even have different expertise right. In the spiritual realms, but they will all tell you the same thing. And then you cannot deny it. You cannot deny when you see, when you hear the same thing from two people in detail, you can't, you have to say, what is this?

Meant to show me, what do I need to learn from it? What do I need to do with that? And I think that, I mean, that's our goal and that's, we all are experiencing that. No, wait that's that, that skeptics are the ones who are going through these times because they're the ones that are going to get that validation.

So Ella, can we step back? I just want to learn a little bit more here, more about breath work. Cause that's something I don't know a lot about. It's been really amazing to be able to facilitate breath work. It's a somatic technique and it works with your sympathetic nervous system. And it's really simple.

It's just a two-step mouth breathing technique. So you're just taking a deep breath into your belly and inflating it like a balloon, and then rolling it up to your heart space and breathing in more air and then letting it go gently. So it's like a two-step breath. So it's like breathe in through your belly, through your mouth and then breathe into your heart space and then gently let it go.

And you're doing that depending on who your breath work coaches, you're doing that for anywhere between 20 to 45 minutes. So my sessions I'm doing about 20 to 25 minutes and I ground people in as you're breathing, what you're doing is right. Activating your sympathetic nervous system, your fight flight or freeze.

And so all that stuck energy, old trauma, all, you know, it usually comes through as like old memories or sudden realizations. It all starts surfacing. And so some people describe breath work as being like 40 years of therapy. In a session it's also much like, you know, psychedelic journey, you know, with mushrooms or, or LSC, anything like that, where the skeleton closet that you have inside of yourself, where you've stuffed, everything unconsciously gets opened and everything starts coming through, and you're working with your subconscious and not your conscious mind.

So I love the pairing of breath work with something like. Cognitive behavioral therapy, you know, where you can kind of talk it out and integrate what you're learning, but breath work. It just opens you up. You start to kind of like connect to your inner, your intuition, your inner compass, your inner voice, your higher self.

And it also opens you up to have a direct line to source. And spirit, so people will have visions during breathwork. So like you're basically breathing actively for a short period of time. And then at the end, there's like this rest period kind of like Shavasana and yoga. We're just laying there breathing easy through your nose at that point and just receiving and what I have found really powerful about breath work this year alone.

There's just incredible release. You know, it's really great for shadow work, but I'm starting to realize also that. Breath work brings you to this deeper state of consciousness where you can use it for like heart coherence practice to where you're stepping into moments of love and joy and peace. I've taken them on journeys where they're flying on a dragon, you know, and, and just like, and just simply, or just.

Flying with the birds where it feels fantastical, but you're elevating your energy and you're lifting your, your energy frequency up. So it takes over your body. I mean, your, your body is experiencing that as if it's actually happening. So I call them like quantum journeys or. Journeys into quantum realities where it doesn't really matter.

Like you can believe in dragons or not believe in dragons. You know, it doesn't really matter. I believe in unicorns leaving varies. It doesn't really matter because when you're experiencing that in those deep States of consciousness, you are lifting your energy frequency and you're opening yourself up and you're expanding regardless.

And so it's almost allowing yourself to. Use your imagination again, and realize that that is really the first step of manifestation is just allowing yourself to dream and to go into those spaces of imagination, where everything is possible. And you're no longer in that dense kind of frequency of frustration and fear and anger and you know, all that stuff you're like suddenly lifted.

So yeah, it's, it's been incredibly powerful. It's interesting. I don't know. I think that many people know what breathwork is, and there's such power in it. How often are you doing it? And how often would you suggest people do do it? I do it usually like once a week, if not Sam and I also practice the Wim Hof method of breath work, which is slightly different, but I have people coming to my classes literally every single week or even every single session.

Cause now Sam and I are partnering on these. Moon circle is for every new and full moon. And we incorporate, Kaushik readings as part of that as well. So if Sam's facilitating Reiki, as I'm guiding the breath work, and that has been like a trifecta of Robyn, I'm talking about it earlier. And I was saying, I don't breathe.

Really? Don't it's shocking. Oh, a runner. And so as we were just, you were just having us do that extra. Does it feels. Really to do that. And, and for people who I think might have trouble meditating, that could be a really nice, easy exercise or a way to kind of get into it. Thanks for sharing that or stuck in traffic.

And you're trying to de-stress I love going to the four, seven, eight breath technique where you're just, you're taking in a breath into your nose, actually for a count of four, and then you're holding it for seven. And then you're breathing out as if through a straw for eight. So it's called the four, seven, eight breath, but it helps to deactivate your body and bring you back into a calmer state.

But yeah, it's breathing is one of those, like, because it's both unconscious and conscious, it's. So underrated on Sam. Tell us about how you are practicing Reiki and know what Karen and I have found is that everybody practices a little bit differently, their process processes, a little different, they're seeing different things and using.

Their gifts in a different way. So we'd love to know how you're doing it. I've had multiple mentors teachers that I work with. So I've sort of incorporated things from all of them into my practice in ironically coming from a situation where I was totally detached from my body. I now, like the way that I connected with the energy was physically, like, I can feel every sensation now and energy moves my body when I'm working with someone else.

And so I'll eat, facilitate distance Reiki. and I. Also do it in person. It's just that, you know, very few people are out here in the desert. So it really, it just starts with like a quick conversation of like, Hey, what's going on? Tell me about how you're feeling. And then I'll do a session that I actually will combine.

probably it, depending on what's going on, like 30 to 45 minutes, an active Reiki. And then I do some channeling and I pull Oracle cards too. So I've found that people really liked sort of having something tangible to. Take away from it, but also the messages that we receive afterwards and the conversation that we always have afterwards is about how they can best integrate the healing and not just what to expect physically, but like Reiki opens up doors to everything.

And especially if you're pairing it with another modality, like breath work, or sound healing or anything like that, it's like, I think that those Oracle cards can really help people understand just like not. Just physically how to move forward with that, but also like, what are the messages that they're meant to receive and like, what are the challenges that they're working through right now?

And like, how can understanding those better help them come back to a place of more compassion for themselves and more joy in life. In general, really early on, I had this crazy experience where I, like I was sitting in this meditation and I had just started practicing Reiki. Like there was some energy in my torso that was.

Stuck. And my teacher had taught me this technique where you can just, I was like, all right, we're just going for it. And I, and I, but I unintentionally in that process, open this channel of energy that was far more powerful than Reiki energy and a totally different channel than Reiki energy. And it was like bursting out of my, out at the top of my head.

And it was so strong that my head was like, Hold back. And like my neck hop, then I was like, Oh my God, my body went numb. And I was like, what do I do? So I ended up just like pulling in this loving kindness, meditation slowly. My head came back down and then like slowly, I could start to feel the sensation in my body again.

And I opened my eyes and it was like, I could feel the sensation like half your face is underwater. And I could feel the waves. There was like a clear line that went across my face and the bottom half felt like silk. Like I just sat in that for like 20 or 30 minutes. Cause I was like, What is happening.

So then I found another energy healer who really okay. When the door is for me to build a deeper relationship with the energy healing in general. And I think that's where the more exciting things start started to really open up. So, you know, you see everything from like, Detached vorticies scenes and your shockers to like entities to aliens.

It sounds crazy, but it's true.

No weird here. So actually that energy here who helped me, who sort of opened the doors to these other forms of energy, he had told me before I moved down to the desert, he was like, I don't want to freak you out, but there are a lot of things that you're going to start with. And he was like, you know, don't get scared about it, but like aliens, you know, and he just threw that into the conversation.

Like it was nothing. And I went home and I called Ellen and I was like, what the fuck?

And I was like, okay, I guess I was like, I'm just going to choose not to think about that. Cause that's super weird. And lo and behold, I moved out to the desert and there was one day where I went out and I was doing like a self healing in the desert. So I had just opened some Reiki channels and I was meditating a little bit.

And then all of a sudden it was like, Feel these like beings come in around me and, and we, and I was sitting there and I could physically feel them grab my hands. And we were sitting in a circle holding hands and it was like this really beautiful. I don't even know how to explain it. It was like we had all been there and done that together before.

I felt like it could have gone on forever. So at one point I was like, okay, I'm sweating bullets out here. Like, it's time to go. And then they, I could feel them like wrapping up this ball of energy and then they, and I, and then they like inserted it into my torso and I could feel this energy as soon as they plugged it in, it was like, energy was just like shooting out of me.

And I had no idea what happens. But then coincidentally, I had just found another teacher right after that, who we also interviewed on Nunu or first session on me. She goes, okay, so I don't want to freak you out. Cause I told her about this meditation and I was like, there were these beings there. And I was like, I'm just curious if you, if like what happens and who that was.

And she was like, so I don't want to freak you out, but. Seeing aliens. And she was like, well, were you scared of them? And it's all about the energy. Right. And I was like, no, it actually felt like a very coming home that we talked about it a little bit. But then when she got into my healing, she was like, okay, I'm seeing something in your torso right now.

And I had forgotten to tell her that part. And I was like, okay. So then there was this one now that you mentioned it and she. This parts where it gets really weird. She goes, she goes, so it's a baby, but it's not a human baby. Yeah. And I was like, what is happening in my life right now? And so she went in and she was like, okay, I'm going to go in and clear it.

So she went in, she cleared it and she was like, you know, she was like, it was nothing that was going to hurt you or anything. She's like, I'm hearing charge. It was charging you. And I was like, charging me for what? And like still, I'm not entirely sure. Like what that yeah. But there was like an alien, like the energy of its alien baby inside my torso, like charging my body after this like, ceremony that I had with them out in the desert, out of nowhere, you know, my last session with her, we were talking about, I was like, Oh, I saw this spaceship while I was doing my Wim Hof breathing.

I couldn't see anything inside of it or like a lot of detail, but I know it was a spaceship. And she was like, Oh yeah, she was like, you went, yeah. Bar. She was like, they took you like out. And she was like, I'm seeing actuarials right now. And I was like, okay, then she's like, but they won't tell me anything else.

I was like, okay. So here we are. When you're in an experience like that, the terminology must be very challenging, right? It could be higher self, it could be angels, it could be so many different things. And so in my mind, I'm thinking, is it an extra terrestrial type of entity versus it being an angel or a guy?

How did you feel that difference? I literally just ask you that same question. I was like, is it the Arturian age, like coming through? Or is it, are they angels? Like, I can't tell angels. Right. So I was reading about that yesterday, actually. So sometimes Arturians will appear to us as angels in angel form because they don't want to scare us.

That's nice of them. I'm so sensitive to energy. I can feel that different vibrations, which between. An angel and a spirit guide, but sometimes had aliens not come up so frequently in this last year. I don't know that I would have acknowledged that it was a spaceship that I saw. I mean, it looked like a stereotypical spaceship that you would see, but I also recently finished this course that she offers around channeling and part of the practice that we do in the homework for that course is connecting to the different realms.

So the star realms, the different earth realms, the astrological realms. I mean, you name it. Like with it. And sometimes not even knowing whose energy necessarily it is, but just being careful and making sure that you've cleared your space and that you have called in the angels to like protect the space and that you're being really attuned to the energy so that when you have other spirits or imposters, like sort of trying to tap into this channel that you've opened, you can tell when the vibration is lower off and then you can clear that out and continue channeling.

But it's a, it's a process for sure. This ascended master Hilarion. I started working with me a few weeks ago. I could feel him. And it was this very like expansive, open, loving energy. And he would come in and it was like, he's kind of like a little glowing light green Bora, but it's like in the shape of a person.

And there's always just this like fluorescent rainbow in front of him. And I didn't know who he was. I had to ask my teacher. And so she went in and she was like, Oh, that's the innocent and master. And like, neither of us had ever heard it. Of him before identifying that has allowed me to sort of like build a relationship with him.

And then slowly over time you get introduced to new people. And then of course, when you're working with someone else, you get introduced to their guides and then sometimes they bring in people like you brought in some five D surgeons that had to like reattach my throat chakra at one point. So you like to have to go through all of these experiences to know what they're like, so that when you're working with other people.

You know what you're working with? It's been really cool. I mean, like we started off, like, it seems like

I had no idea. I'm just like ready to just like. Yeah on a plan and just come on, I want to come to the desert. I think people are going to ask what and who are Arturians. I mean, I don't even know. I don't even want to take a guess. L do you know, like thousands or millions of star being racist? Yeah. I mean, they're, they're from our Arterius that started.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I want to say the reason why I had asked that question earlier, like, are they the attorneys or is it angels is because the Arcturians gateway was open. And I remember reading a blog article about this gateway opening and she had channeled a message from the Arcturians and they're very, very loving.

They are, yeah, just a different. Start being the crazy thing is, so I was, I, every night I sit out and I watch the stars out here because there's no light pollution and you can see them much better. And I'm always telling Ellen about how I'm like, I saw another UFO tonight because it's like, okay, I'll be watching the stars.

And then all of a sudden I'll see something move and it looks. Like teasingly looks like it could be a satellite. It's kind of the same brightness as a satellite. It's kind of the same speed as a satellite. But if you look at it, you realize it's like stopping and going and zigzagging. And like, some of them will totally change directions.

And some of them will do these like huge circles and some of them will get really bright and get super dim. And then you can see it like skip it's like it does this thing. And then it appears over here. And it's so crazy. And so I didn't know about the gateway opening, but every night when I go outside now, like I can see and feel orbs coming.

They come down from the sky and I can feel them like, and they'll just like sit hover around me. And so I was sitting out one night and I looked at the sky and there was this huge gray rainbow streak across the sky in a very specific place. And. I kept looking at it thinking, okay, that can't be from a plane because it lasted for like 40 minutes.

It can't be a cloud. There was not a cloud in the sky, in this whole area. And I was, and I just had no idea what it was. So I just sat and watched it for like 40 minutes. And then Ellen told me about this gateway opening. And then I'm like reading about the Arcturians and especially the energy in particular right now is this gateway open they're here to help us transcend basically as humans.

I have a teacher who talked about like, sometimes they'll come down and this sounds totally crazy, but they can actually like change space and time, like physical space and time. So it's like, they, I don't know if you guys have ever seen the show flash with the superhero, but like when he moves really fast, everybody else like stops and stays still.

They can like do these major. These major, like cleanups or shifts where they'll like, come down, everything will like DOP and they're moving so quickly. Like in this alternate dimension, they'll shift things around and then everybody moves again when they close it. And it's like these crazy portals that they come in.

And so apparently I've been working with them and maybe like, I'll have more information later who knows it comes when it comes.

Thank you for sharing. We will. A lot of people, I know they're going to think we're so crazy now, presently. It's true. We just, we started very, you know, very normal.

I just am so grateful for you, both that you have followed your path so grateful too, that you've come together and that you've been able to help each other as, as teachers and. Sole friends. And, you know, you need to have that support as you go through the fact that you've had the courage just to go there and, and really explore this, and now are willing to share it on your podcast.

And, you know, with your students that are learning from you now, I think is just going to help so many people more than, you know, and that will influence this time going forward. Thank you for what you guys do too. It's like it. I honestly don't. Think I would be here if I didn't have Sam to lean on as a partner.

I mean, it's, it's like, I can't even imagine going on this alone. And when I see other women who are coming together and partnering up and trying to help bring the consciousness, you know, more like expand the consciousness and like bring all these things to the forefront and speak about it in such personal ways, like takes a lot of guts.

And a lot of bravery to put this stuff out there and be like, you know what? It may sound crazy to you. At one point, it probably did sound crazy to, you know, it sure sounded crazy to us, you know? And it was only a short two years ago that it was just like, these words would never have come out of me mouth literally ever I on myself to say things and I'm like, yeah, What is that right now?

Weird way, sort of exploring some of these things that people are so unfamiliar with is kind of in itself, both empowering and a little bit isolating because people don't really understand it. And a lot of people aren't necessarily comfortable talking about it. So the more we talk about it, the more we normalize it, which is really exciting, but also it's such a relief to have somebody like Ellen around who I can.

Like call no matter what is happening and be like, okay, I have to,

I'm like, can we back up here? Because it just makes you feel, I feel like you're a little less crazy. So you guys have been doing is so inspirational. Like I'm always getting hooked on like every video I'm like, Oh my God, what just happened? There's so many people to talk to. It's endless by the way, because we're all going to continue to evolve.

And if we can help one another, we get to become more of the oneness that we need. If we can just continue to journey and think of ourselves as these souls and these human bodies, but coming from who knows it was where, who knows what star galaxy we came from or what past life we had. But it all helps make up who we are right now.

And that's what we do know. I can have conversations like this all day. Yeah. I know. Do people work with you individually? And can you tell us a little bit what we can expect from daughters now and over the holidays and then your future? So individually my energy. Healing practice is I'm on Instagram as at catalyze, your current or catalyze your

And I just book sessions individually as, and then every full moon and new moon I worked with Alan and we worked with another healer named Nina, who does the Akashic records, readings and Ellen facilitates the breath work. And then I do distance Reiki and we've had really incredible groups come through for that.

We always include the registration links for those events on our Instagram handles as well. And, and daughters were heavy into holiday season, which is really cool. Citing our website is we are all If anybody wants to go and look at the products and check it out. And there's a link on the website as well to our wound new podcast, which is on Instagram at

We created a small ritual box around sleep one around. Bath. And then we also have one around journaling that's created by Reiki, master and life coach Susanna peace level. Those are the three different boxes are great for gifting, especially during the holidays and for my breath work practice, I've been doing what I call breathe every single Saturday at 10:00 AM Pacific, you can find me on Instagram.

At breathe dot D TLA for downtown Los Angeles, which is where I'm located. I'm, I met both of you. I can't, I'm just, I love look what you have done in two years. You guys look at your journey and look what you, you know, you look how you're utilizing 2020 and everything. I mean, we all, you know, we all know this is all on purpose, but you are taking this time and look at the gifts.

That you're sharing with everyone to bring them closer to who they really are. It's really just magical and incredible. And I'm honored to know you both just thinking as you were both talking how I wish that we could take you back to those two selves who are getting ready. And just give them a glimpse of the two faces I'm looking at right now and how you're just like, meaning what you're doing.

You are. It's true. It would be just so great to beam you back there for just a minute. So you could see that. And, and for anybody who's listening to your story to feel that, Oh my gosh, this could be me too. You guys sure are a great example of not only listening to that, but pushing forward and really making it happen.

So congrats to you both. Hey, thanks for making us so comfortable. This is awesome. Love it. You guys, a lot of love. Oh my gosh. Thank you so great to meet you. Bye.

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